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 Post subject: Pyramid Head coming to Super Bomberman R

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 Post subject: Re: Pyramid Head coming to Super Bomberman R

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It's kind of, I don't know...odd that Konami chose those three characters from those 3 Konami franchises as free DLC. I mean Pyramid Head of all characters? Will kids get the reference? Should they?

If this all means anything, could it be that Konami is considering making new versions of those games for Switch, PS4/XB1? Wishful thinking but who knows?


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They cancel Silent Hills, give us a slot machine-thing, and now this? Laughable, indeed.


It is driving me crazy that we may not get another Silent Hill. Why did they add them as characters anyways?

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I have no idea. I just think these companies don't care anymore. They're lost. The genre has changed so much over the years, which means they cannot keep up with everything going on around them. They do try, but it's never gonna be the same as it were back in the 90's when games were bad graphically, but amazing for scaring us. Horror has been exhausted multiple times as a genre. Maybe with the PlayStation VR, that could be their next goal. Console games are just failing so miserably now.

It's like pop music and movies as well: The trends that are hot for a number of years go dim after burning so brightly. People just grow tired of the repetition, and yearn for something new, but then complain the changes were not what they hoped for. Then something else comes along, and you're either on board with that or you're not.

For years, I've been chomping at the bit to see real horror games come back, like the ones with tank controls and fixed camera angles, because the graphics don't make a game great if you have a worthless story and awful controls in there. I'm not a lover of first person viewpoint games, and never will be. But I just don't think the magic is there any longer.


I miss the days when everyone was in it for being scared and a great story, but now they just want graphics. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Pyramid Head coming to Super Bomberman R

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IIRC, although RE VII sold 3.5 mil out of the 4 mil copies so far, Capcom was satisfied with the sales.

I think I'll get Outlast next month as I recently spent money on a new laptop and a Wacom Cintiq drawing tablet.


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 Post subject: Re: Pyramid Head coming to Super Bomberman R

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What's really sad is that Masahiro Ito recently posted a new concept sketch of Valtiel. Someone asked if it was just for fun or for a project. His reply tweet was "No comment." So let me guess. In 2015, we had Silent Hill 2 pachinko, and now this year we will have Silent Hill 3 pachinko? Yay! Just what everyone wanted-said no one ever. That's the sad part. Of course, it could also be for an art book, mobage, arcades, or you know a console game? Yet why else would he make a sketch of Valtiel for something other than pachinko? Valtiel was only in SH3 and Silent Hill Book of Memories, IIRC. This is really depressing. :(

Edit: Ito's tweet was from Feb 28 and I think his latest tweet was March 20. Still, close enough I guess.

I also tweeted Donna Burke with a "plot twist" caption and a ":p" I basically said in the body of the tweet that Konami would reveal a new Silent Hill, Castlevania and Gradius at E3.

She gave my tweet a like, and even that one gesture from her was really cool. :)

She's one of my favorite VO's from the SH franchise, so I am thrilled on that end.


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Konami will probably reveal a new Silent Hill at E3. But it'll probably be something they feel 'safe' with. I kind've doubt it'll be something new. Probably a remake or a reboot of some kind. That's if we're lucky.

And I wouldn't hold my breath that Konami learned anything. It'll probably be shipped off to some cheap development company like Vatra again with a shit budget.

That or they'll just go absolutely batshit stupid and turn it into an MMO shooter or something. I just cannot put it past them at this point.


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Yep. Silent Hill with zombie unicorns, anyone?

Hopefully though, Konami at least reveals and releases a decent Silent Hill game for the PS4, Switch and XB1.

A remake of Silent Hill 1 would be awesome.


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Well they've already attempted two remakes of Silent Hill and we ended up with Origins and Shattered Memories (and I do love both of those but the flaws are obvious).

Like I said, even if they do remake SH1, it'll probably just end up as an MMO shooter or something stupid. Whatever they can make for $5 and wonder why they're making no money on games.


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Their focus is just pachinko shit (goddamn I saw a video of a guy playing it. He spent 30mins. and lost a boss battle and had to go back to the start. He spent a lot of cash just to show it. He said it wasn't fun at all and that the Phantom Pain engine used on it was a pretty much a punch to the face. Can't be arsed to post the link tho) and that bastard child of MGS Online, Socom and every zombie game ever: Metal Gear Survive.

Silent Hill is dead and buried. It will take time for it to be reborn. Someday they might release another game but not now.

No comment about that PH crap.


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Gravedigger
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Konami expressing that they "want" to bring back core gamers is just an excuse for them to make shitty games, if they ever make games again.

Even if they do reveal a game it could possibly be: Silent Hill Pachinko: The Game for PS4, Switch, XB1.


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Like I said before, they'll just find some cheap ass studio somewhere and give them a shit budget to work with with bare minimum advertising. Then they'll proceed to mope about how their games don't sell.

As stated far too often, fuck Konami.


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Gravedigger
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Yeah, it would probably even be some indie dev (Team Psychoz lol). I don't understand why Konami gave the Downpour devs the green light to use Korn of all bands. Money that could have been used better elsewhere.


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Possible news:

On Masahiro Ito's Twitter dated May 5, he said that he was working on some games that were never released. He is also helping on working on 2 games and he said he hopes they will be released.

I follow Ito's tweets every now and then, especially if something Silent Hill or horror game related pops up or is alluded to.


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It seems clear that Konami has absolutely zero interest in pursuing big budget console game development.

The only things that are guaranteed for now are Pro Evolution Soccer and the multiplayer Metal Gear SURVIVE, and nobody's heard anything about these in a long time.

Konami's profits as a whole company however are doing very very well, without the need for traditional console games.

Many of Konami's developers have jumped ship to the New Kojima Productions so it looks like Kojima's old team members are all slowly making their way to his new studio, so obviously talent is leaving Konami.

Sad as it is to say, I don't see Konami having any intention of seriously reviving Silent Hill. At least not in any way other than outsourcing it and the risks to any contractual developer like the previous titles, or another lower-budget Hollywood movie attempt. Or little things you see now like with Bomberman and a slot machine or cheap mobile effort.

More than likely you'll get a games-as-service Book of Memories effort for mobile. Which is making a lot of money, especially in Japan, which is where Square Enix and Nintendo are also more heavily investing into, except unlike Konami, Square and Nintendo know that the popularity of their mobile efforts is tied to their console efforts and the characters they create.

As for the market for horror. It is true that the action shooter genre has the potential for having far more sales than a traditional Silent Hill game. But that market is oversaturated and consumers are picky and thus only those with established multiplayer and top end graphics (aka very expensive to make games) do well.

Konami is NOT going to spend that kind of money on that when mobile offers higher return with lower risk.

MGSV has done very well sales wise and obviously that didn't stop Konami from shuttering Kojima Productions.

Capcom has also been concerned with declining interest in Resident Evil.

But Capcom is taking a smart route - reducing the budget of Resident Evil and setting expectations accordingly.

REVII is a critical hit, but was also not as expensive to make, though sales have not been as high as Capcom was hoping for, but it is satisfied with its performance.

The real test is to see how something like the Resident Evil 2 Remake will perform. The re-releases of RE1 Remake and RE0 have done VERY WELL for Capcom, at least high return for low costs. So Capcom sees a profitable section of gamers willing to pay for that more classic style of RE horror. Hence why RE2 being remade was greelit on the resales of RE1 and 0.

Silent Hill could also survive by taking this route. More throwback to the styles of SH2-3.
Basically, smaller levels, slower gameplay with emphasis on puzzles and not combat. Ability to pull off beautiful visuals by taking advantage of not stretching your team's efforts on more larger open levels or open world, by having a small team of artists focusing on smaller intimate environments. Not need to outsource for assets to fill larger levels or more intricate cutscenes etc.

Basically, Silent Hill needs to either be throwback, or indie, if you want to look at it that way.

But will Konami bother? It's doubtful. They couldn't even be bothered to decently fund HD ports of SH2 & 3.

Maybe if another studio pitches an idea and wants to license the brand like Climax did. But that is much more unlikely these days in the age of Kickstarter, and when other studios and even the console manufacturers are more lenient of control for independent projects and publishing for IPs that you can control yourself. So there's less incentive for devs to approach Konami, and the longer it takes Konami to do something, the less the Silent Hill IP is valued. So I expect we'll occasionally see more efforts like Pyramid Head in Bomberman, or another Pachinko machine, or some mobile thing. According to Konami's predictions, they don't expect current VR to be worth much either, so there's little to no chance they'll follow Capcom's route.

Kojima's certainly not going to return to Konami to use the brand. He can work on his own new horror IP with Del Toro and Junji Ito in the future. Norman Reedus is only in this because of the two of them, which is why he's still doing Death Stranding with Kojima. Kojima will probably be reluctant to do anything like Silent Hills again least Konami try and claim he's copying Konami's property or some legal nonsense, so it's in Kojima's interests to differentiate himself away from his previous employer's brands.

There will still be spiritual successors from the indie scene. Like Yomawari and others to get that horror feel, so it's likely the next 'Silent Hill' will come from there.


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Strangely enough, Kojima is already using quite a few concepts from PT.

I'm still waiting for the next indie "Silent Hill" game to release. Or should I say, the first.

Right now, I'm waiting for Team Psychose to get their act together in making Forgotten Memories for PS4, XB and PC.


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Tabris wrote:
Well they've already attempted two remakes of Silent Hill and we ended up with Origins and Shattered Memories (and I do love both of those but the flaws are obvious).
Wait, what? We've never had a remake of Silent Hill. We had a prequel in Origins and a total reboot with SM. Although I personally enjoyed both of those, a remake of Silent Hill would be something entirely different: SH1 renewed/refreshed and maybe changed/tweaked in some ways. It would hopefully be incredibly awesome, although even if they nailed everything else, I would miss the original voice actors and continue to play my original version too.

I realize that post was months ago, but oh well.

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I never said we had a remake of Silent Hill bleh. Perhaps I'm wrong, but Origins and Shattered Memories both initially started with the intention to remake the original Silent Hill. But eventually (and I don't think long after), they obviously decided to do something different. Tis why I said 'attempted'.

Though it's been so long I don't honestly remember for sure. Shattered Memories is more obvious but pretty sure Origins was meant to be an SH1 remake for PSP before they decided it to be a prequel.

I could honestly be wrong though!

That being said, as much as I adored Shattered Memories, I have always and still want a proper remake of Silent Hill 1.

And you are correct to call me on my sins. I kind of fucked up with kind've.


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Tabris wrote:
I never said we had a remake of Silent Hill bleh. Perhaps I'm wrong, but Origins and Shattered Memories both initially started with the intention to remake the original Silent Hill. But eventually (and I don't think long after), they obviously decided to do something different. Tis why I said 'attempted'.
Sorry, I guess I just misinterpreted your wording. I thought you were referring to the finished games. I do remember that Origins got shifted between development teams part way through but had never heard of it being intended to be something other than a prequel. Never heard anything about SM regarding that either, but could be true I suppose.

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Now that loot boxes and micro transactions are a thing in full priced games, maybe Konami will get in on the action. It would be like virtual pachinko.

Silent Hill Survive-PS4, XB1 and Switch. Hit the (virtual) lever!
Castlevania Survive, same platforms, now with even more Erotic Violence!

Never realized Konami was such a pioneer. Exemplar!

Seriously, Fuck Konami!


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