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Birth theory
Considering that much of the movie is symbolic and deals with the theme of motherhood on many levels, I think there may symbolically have been more to the scene where Rose takes Dark Alessa inside of her than just making a deal with Alessa's dark side. I think the scene might symbolically represent Rose being "impregnated" with Alessa, whom she then willingly "births" in a rather painful manner. I think the idea is that Rose then became the biological mother (in Alessa's eyes) to Alessa and, by extension, Sharon. The concept of Rose willingly becoming Alessa's mother would be another point of contention between herself and Dahlia, as Dahlia most likely never planned on becoming pregnant considering she wouldn't even name the father. Just something I noticed recently.
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That's silly. If there wasn't a father, she could just say so; there's no doubt the cult members would've believed her, considering how backwards they are.
On the other hand, I'm sure hundreds of thousands of women all over the world refuse to name the fathers of the children they have out of wedlock. Did they all have supernatural virgin births?
On the other hand, I'm sure hundreds of thousands of women all over the world refuse to name the fathers of the children they have out of wedlock. Did they all have supernatural virgin births?
[quote="BlackFire2"]I thought he meant the special powers of her vagina.[/quote]
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There's about a million other reasons why she would refuse to name the father, all of which make more sense than that. Just off the top of my head, Dahlia could have A) Been raped, and was afraid of the person who raped her, B) Been raped and felt the cultists would blame her (in the 1960's, rape was simply thought of as the woman changing her mind afterwards and was considered to be entirely the fault of the woman), C) Slept with a married man and been too afraid to name him (he may have been a powerful figure in the town), or D) Slept around with a lot of guys and didn't know who had fathered Alessa.Yuki wrote:For some reason, Dahlia's refusal to name the father didn't strike me as her not planning it; it seemed to me more like there WASN'T a father.
I beg to differ. I'll take a direct quote from the film: "BURN THE WITCH!".AuraTwilight wrote:That's silly. If there wasn't a father, she could just say so; there's no doubt the cult members would've believed her, considering how backwards they are.
That, and the whole 'God did it.' excuse was already soo overused.
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Then what was the point of 'We fight the sin, not the sinner'? Dahlia wouldn't be blamed for anything, the child would simply be killed as a spawn of the devil.Wilson wrote:I beg to differ. I'll take a direct quote from the film: "BURN THE WITCH!".AuraTwilight wrote:That's silly. If there wasn't a father, she could just say so; there's no doubt the cult members would've believed her, considering how backwards they are.
That, and the whole 'God did it.' excuse was already soo overused.
Indeed. Not much to theorize about, as this was most definitely the message the scene intended to convey.
I have a hard time believing that Alessa was unplanned. It makes more sense to me that Dahlia didn't want to name the father in order to protect herself or him. A supernatural birth also isn't out of the question as there is no evidence to rule it out.
All plausible, except for B, which is ridiculous. Where on earth did you get that idea?There's about a million other reasons why she would refuse to name the father, all of which make more sense than that. Just off the top of my head, Dahlia could have A) Been raped, and was afraid of the person who raped her, B) Been raped and felt the cultists would blame her (in the 1960's, rape was simply thought of as the woman changing her mind afterwards and was considered to be entirely the fault of the woman), C) Slept with a married man and been too afraid to name him (he may have been a powerful figure in the town), or D) Slept around with a lot of guys and didn't know who had fathered Alessa.
I have a hard time believing that Alessa was unplanned. It makes more sense to me that Dahlia didn't want to name the father in order to protect herself or him. A supernatural birth also isn't out of the question as there is no evidence to rule it out.
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[size=84]The Gospel of Thomas, logion 7.[/size]
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Actually, it's totally true. Before feminism and Women's Suffrage got such a big influence on bettering society, the woman was usually blamed for the rape she experienced. You know, the whole, "You shouldn't of been a trampy slut, lol" line or "She was really saying yes with that skirt."All plausible, except for B, which is ridiculous. Where on earth did you get that idea?
My aunt is the result of one of these rapes my grandmother experienced in the late 50's.
[quote="BlackFire2"]I thought he meant the special powers of her vagina.[/quote]
Yeah, that still happens today and I'm sure it was more common in the '60s, but saying that rape as a crime was totally passed off as the victim's fault just isn't true.
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It's a huge link, so I'll put it under a spoiler tag for everyones' sake.neonblack wrote:Yeah, that still happens today and I'm sure it was more common in the '60s, but saying that rape as a crime was totally passed off as the victim's fault just isn't true.
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The anti-rape movement didn't really begin until the late 1960s. and didn't really gain national appreciation until years later. Dahlia became pregnant with Alessa sometime between 1965 and 1966. Even with the anti-rape movement, Silent Hill was still a small town run by a religious cult that didn't quite have the greatest values.
Taking my post too seriously.JRamirez35 wrote:Then what was the point of 'We fight the sin, not the sinner'? Dahlia wouldn't be blamed for anything, the child would simply be killed as a spawn of the devil.Wilson wrote:I beg to differ. I'll take a direct quote from the film: "BURN THE WITCH!".AuraTwilight wrote:That's silly. If there wasn't a father, she could just say so; there's no doubt the cult members would've believed her, considering how backwards they are.
That, and the whole 'God did it.' excuse was already soo overused.
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