Birthing of God left out

Post by **breremarer** » 01 Sep 2006

Personally, I think it was the studios that made them alter the plotline. You can have all the sex, drugs, and violence that your dark little hearts desire, but you do NOT go and start fucking with religion. That gets a lot of people really, really angry.

Other movies have gotten away with it in the past, though, so perhaps I'm wrong.

I really need to see this again...

Post by **substitute_reality** » 02 Sep 2006

it's stupid how they made the movie for ''everyone'' bah makes me sick. Sure it brought back more money but... sheez.... they should have thought about the true fans....

*dissapointed*

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 02 Sep 2006

They didn't make it for "Everyone" -_- Gans made an original story so that people who played the games wouldn't be bored. Jesus, people.

The only edit he was really forced to make, plotwise, was including some male characters.

Post by **Anarchy** » 05 Sep 2006

I tend to agree with the above post. I meant since it's a movie about SH, an extremtly complex game series, it would take ages to try and explain most of the things to people who don't know the game. Then again totally butchering it (like the RE movies) just so that the audiance could understand didn't really happen either. One needs to find a comon ground. There were certain things I disliked (such as PH, he should stay in SH2) but in the end the movie could have been so much worse. Just think about all the other game movies made.

I also think they left the whole birthing of God out since that would probably offend a lot of close minded people. Either that or, it would take to long to make the audiance understand why and how.

(Hey by the way, havn't posted in quite some time.

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Post by **AuraTwilight** » 05 Sep 2006

Most people in my audience were confused solely by how Alessa made her own universe. The movie would get terrible reviews if the audience had to swallow some obscure God being born from a burn victim and her other, seven year old self in a parallel universe/purgatory, then have them swallow that the God isn't a literal god but a figment of Alessa's imagination.

...

Or we could go with the movie we already have, thank you ^_^

Post by **Denizen** » 14 Sep 2006

Okay, there's what I got:

Alessa is The God, as indicated by the religious symbolism throughout the film. Dark Alessa is not a demon, but the manifested bad part of Alessa utilizing the latent power that had always been within Alessa since birth.

My edvidence is that Bad Alessa only appears after Alessa's burning. Tramatic experiences can create split personalities, and, as we know from SH 4, split personalities can manifest into individual beings.

The only ones who flat out says that Bad Alessa is a demon are the cultists, who, (lets be honest), aren't the most objective witnesses. They were calling Alessa a demon before the burning: "Weep Not for the demon." Bad Alessa gets created, now with the reality warping powers of the God and bent on revenge, and so says to herself "They want a demon, I'll give them one." She becomes "the Dark One", hence she says "I have many names."

But the division and manifestation of personalities isn't limited to just Alessa seperated from her burned self, but also in the creation of Sharon: the Good side as opposed to the Bad Side.

Post by **slipmetal_valtiel17** » 14 Sep 2006

I agree with the above post....But I'd also like to mention something to those who have been attempting to associate the games with the movie....
....Which I must admit, even after playing the games.....Was pretty obvious..But that's me.

The games and the movie plot have absolutely nothing to do with each other in most cases. Just a bunch of reused names, revamped characters, and pretty much just abit of a jist of the plot to add some relativity...and if I may remember alot of fans ASKED for PH to be there...So you may as well stop bitching about that...You asked for it basically.

The plot of the movie and the plot of the game...Though are alike in most ways...Are two different beings altogeather...And should be veiwed as such.
Look at it as a movie...Not an adaptation.

Plus I'd also like to mention if anyone bought the DVD the director of the movie kind of pointed this out, if you even bothered to look at 'The makeing of Silent Hill' special features thing.

When they created SH: the movie...They took alot of what the fan's asked for to heart and attempted to do the best they could to make a really good movie and in my opinion they did so...
I have no true gripe for the movie...and if they plan to make a SH2 movie I don't know about you guys I'll look forward to it.

The Silent Hill games where a base for resource for the movie...An insperation, a mere guild line and a basic bible for it's creation.

You have to remember...Just because the movie carries the same name, and quite afew of other things that involve the game..Doesn't mean that the plot must be the same.

That's like saying Silent Hill 4 was yet another chainlink to the SH main plotline.

...Okay. I'm done bitching. << On with the theories about the MOVIE. Even though I thought the plotline was also alittle blunt and understandable....

((Warning: This is merely an over reaction from the constant shit being piled up about the movies and the game supposed to be one and the same. x.x ))

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 14 Sep 2006

Alessa is The God, as indicated by the religious symbolism throughout the film. Dark Alessa is not a demon, but the manifested bad part of Alessa utilizing the latent power that had always been within Alessa since birth.

The God is never mentioned in the film, and the God in the games was a monster fetus that would destroy the universe if it was born. Not only are you assuming that the God exists, but you're also redefining it into your own made-up definition, so why bother even saying she's a God? Why not just call her a psychic or something? Furhter more, how do you explain Dark Alessa having "Many Names"?

My edvidence is that Bad Alessa only appears after Alessa's burning. Tramatic experiences can create split personalities, and, as we know from SH 4, split personalities can manifest into individual beings.

That's not really evidence. How do we know the Dark Alessa isn't just some demon that took advantage of Alessa's suffering?

The only ones who flat out says that Bad Alessa is a demon are the cultists, who, (lets be honest), aren't the most objective witnesses. They were calling Alessa a demon before the burning: "Weep Not for the demon." Bad Alessa gets created, now with the reality warping powers of the God and bent on revenge, and so says to herself "They want a demon, I'll give them one." She becomes "the Dark One", hence she says "I have many names."

They were talking about normal Alessa being the demon, but furthermore, the Dark Alessa herself implies her own demonic status. But I guess that is a good explaination for your theory. I just don't like it because it kind've justifies the Cult's burning of an innocent child, which is undermining the entire movie.

But the division and manifestation of personalities isn't limited to just Alessa seperated from her burned self, but also in the creation of Sharon: the Good side as opposed to the Bad Side.

Agreed.

Post by **Denizen** » 14 Sep 2006

The God is never mentioned in the film,

It also was never mentioned in the first game, from which this movie derives its main inspiration.
We all thought the end boss was Samael the Demon, but by the third game our opinions changed. I see the same thing happening here. We have Dark Alessa: the Demon in the first movie, but, trust me, by the third, she'll be Alessa: the God.

If Alessa were the God, Mother of the God, etc, none of the characters would be in any position to know about it. Maybe if they had some Aglaophtis available, some things could be confirmed.

and the God in the games was a monster fetus that would destroy the universe if it was born.

That's one interpretation. Maybe if it didn't experience pain and fear through Heather or Alessa, things would be different. The same thing here.

Not only are you assuming that the God exists, but you're also redefining it into your own made-up definition, so why bother even saying she's a God? Why not just call her a psychic or something?

Okay, declare me guilty of applying game plotlines to a Silent Hill movie. But its my interpretation based on a possible middle-ground between the games and the movie. But if Alessa is a god, even she wouldn't know it.

Furhter more, how do you explain Dark Alessa having "Many Names"?

Let's see here. "Alessa", "Dark One" and "Demon" Does three count as many?
The latter two were only given to her by the cultists, who are clearly insane and in denial about deserving punishment. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the dark part of Alessa thought she was the Devil. 30 years of tormenting people with omnipotent powers and being called the Devil would convince anyone that's true.

That's not really evidence. How do we know the Dark Alessa isn't just some demon that took advantage of Alessa's suffering?

Could be, but that's too obvious...

Because if it were so, that would make the cult members correct in assuming Dark Alessa is a demon. And they can't be correct (at least in the context of the movie). They're the villians.

I couldn't possibly predict the actions of an actual demon. But I doubt that one would imitate Alessa so throughly, spare Cybil, Dahila and Rose, care about revenge rather than simple slaughter. These are, to me, the actions of a very human Alessa.

And because she only appears after Alessa's trumatic burning (a burning that Alessa impossibly survived). And she flat out says she is the Bad Part of Alessa. Don't split personalites arise about disassociation, typically from tramatic events? If Bad Alessa is a demon, she's a demon of the mind. The Id given free reign and manifested through the reality warping of Silent Hill.

Read Dean Koontz's "Cold Fire" or "Phantoms", you'll understand my position. Not Silent Hill, but has a similar theme.

They were talking about normal Alessa being the demon,

Before and after they called Alessa a demon. "A demon that hides behind the guise of an innocent." Delusional, non-objective and in denial. They brought a demon onto themselves, even if it wasn't a real one.

but furthermore, the Dark Alessa herself implies her own demonic status.

See above. I'm thinking that the Dark Part of Alessa either thought she was a demon, was being ironic, or became a demon in the cult member's minds as a result of the altered reality. The only sticking point is Dark Alessa being unable to affect the church, but this could either be explained that Alessa is taking her demon role seriously or a side-effect of the new reality caused by some of the cult members influence ("Demons don't enter churchs")

PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER_SHOW PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER:

Remember Mary, on her death bed, saying "I must look like a monster." In James' reality, Mary became a monster. Same thing here. "Demon!" "Demon!" Chirstabel screams. Reality changes and the object of their demonizing becomes a demon

But I guess that is a good explaination for your theory. I just don't like it because it kind've justifies the Cult's burning of an innocent child, which is undermining the entire movie.

Wait what? I didn't say that. Alessa is driven to her actions through abuse. Had circumstances been different the Order would have been worshiping Alessa rather than burning her.

slipmetal_valtiel17 wrote:I agree with the above post....

Thank you.

slipmetal_valtiel17 wrote:But I'd also like to mention something to those who have been attempting to associate the games with the movie....
....Which I must admit, even after playing the games.....Was pretty obvious..But that's me.

The games and the movie plot have absolutely nothing to do with each other in most cases. Just a bunch of reused names, revamped characters, and pretty much just abit of a jist of the plot to add some relativity...

A description that more fits the Silent Hill comics.

slipmetal_valtiel17 wrote: and if I may remember alot of fans ASKED for PH to be there...So you may as well stop bitching about that...You asked for it basically.

I think that was more Gan's decision. Silent Hill 2 is his favorite game, and he probably felt that this might be his only chance to have Pyramid Head in a movie, just in case he was given no oppornity for a sequel.

slipmetal_valtiel17 wrote: The plot of the movie and the plot of the game...Though are alike in most ways...Are two different beings altogeather...And should be veiwed as such.
Look at it as a movie...Not an adaptation.

I see it as a Silent Hill elseworld. Things happened differently, but the same basic mythology remains intact. The contradictions between the game and the movie isn't numerous or blatent enough to judge.

slipmetal_valtiel17 wrote: Plus I'd also like to mention if anyone bought the DVD the director of the movie kind of pointed this out, if you even bothered to look at 'The makeing of Silent Hill' special features thing.

I feel that he meant that Silent Hill movie should not be EXACTLY like the game. I'm reminded of the point-of-view shot in the DOOM film, or the inclusion of video game action in House of the Dead. What was included in the movie is good enough to work as a Silent Hill game (at least in my opinion). [/quote]

slipmetal_valtiel17 wrote: When they created SH: the movie...They took alot of what the fan's asked for to heart and attempted to do the best they could to make a really good movie and in my opinion they did so...
I have no true gripe for the movie...and if they plan to make a SH2 movie I don't know about you guys I'll look forward to it.

I agree. Though I heard that Avary did not listen to the fans while he was writing his script. This might have been a mistake on Avary's part, as I've read some truly brilliant Silent Hill fanfiction (they are out there, you just have to look for them).

slipmetal_valtiel17 wrote: The Silent Hill games where a base for resource for the movie...An insperation, a mere guild line and a basic bible for it's creation.

If that were true, the movie would feature none of the chracters, none of the creatures, and none of the locations, none of the allusions to the series. The movie would just be placed in Silent Hill and have totally new characters, etc.

slipmetal_valtiel17 wrote: You have to remember...Just because the movie carries the same name, and quite afew of other things that involve the game..Doesn't mean that the plot must be the same.

Again, this would apply to such adaptations as Doom (no Hell/Demons), Godzilla 1998 (giant lizard, does not breathe fire), Fantastic Four (Doctor Doom is a super-powered CEO), Constantine (worked better as a sequel to the Devil's Advocate, no resemblance to the comic other than names), but not Silent Hill. The movie is a "What If" Silent Hill story, one in which the characters, creatures, spirit is the same, but different situations, order of events.

slipmetal_valtiel17 wrote:That's like saying Silent Hill 4 was yet another chainlink to the SH main plotline.

...Okay. I'm done bitching. << On with the theories about the MOVIE. Even though I thought the plotline was also alittle blunt and understandable....

Yeah, and so was the plot of the first game. Future sequels added so many layers of meaning to the simplicty of SH1. I don't see why that can't be the case for the movie.

PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER_SHOW PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER:

C'mon, in both SH1 and the movie we had a demon. By Sh3, the summoned demon (Samael) got revoked, replaced by "the birthing of the God." No reason why this can't also happen for this line of movies.

slipmetal_valtiel17 wrote:((Warning: This is merely an over reaction from the constant shit being piled up about the movies and the game supposed to be one and the same. x.x ))

Yeah, but this is the section designed for it. Let me have my dream.

Post by **DAms** » 15 Sep 2006

they pretty much spell out in the movie that dark alessa was the devil. If not that then some type of demon thing that made a deal with alessa. alessa gets revenge the demon gets their souls blah bah be da. Thats the only god in SH movie.

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 15 Sep 2006

It also was never mentioned in the first game, from which this movie derives its main inspiration.
We all thought the end boss was Samael the Demon, but by the third game our opinions changed. I see the same thing happening here. We have Dark Alessa: the Demon in the first movie, but, trust me, by the third, she'll be Alessa: the God.

If Alessa were the God, Mother of the God, etc, none of the characters would be in any position to know about it. Maybe if they had some Aglaophtis available, some things could be confirmed.

Absolutely incorrect. The creature in Alessa's womb is referred to as a God several, several times over. It was just called Samael more because of Dahlia's lie.

That's one interpretation. Maybe if it didn't experience pain and fear through Heather or Alessa, things would be different. The same thing here.

The God is fueled by fear and pain and hatred. Without it, it's not going to be born at all.

Let's see here. "Alessa", "Dark One" and "Demon" Does three count as many?
The latter two were only given to her by the cultists, who are clearly insane and in denial about deserving punishment. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the dark part of Alessa thought she was the Devil. 30 years of tormenting people with omnipotent powers and being called the Devil would convince anyone that's true.

If you're stupid, sure :P

Could be, but that's too obvious... Wink

Because if it were so, that would make the cult members correct in assuming Dark Alessa is a demon. And they can't be correct (at least in the context of the movie). They're the villians.

I couldn't possibly predict the actions of an actual demon. But I doubt that one would imitate Alessa so throughly, spare Cybil, Dahila and Rose, care about revenge rather than simple slaughter. These are, to me, the actions of a very human Alessa.

And because she only appears after Alessa's trumatic burning (a burning that Alessa impossibly survived). And she flat out says she is the Bad Part of Alessa. Don't split personalites arise about disassociation, typically from tramatic events? If Bad Alessa is a demon, she's a demon of the mind. The Id given free reign and manifested through the reality warping of Silent Hill.

Read Dean Koontz's "Cold Fire" or "Phantoms", you'll understand my position. Not Silent Hill, but has a similar theme.

Occam's Razor. I could say "nuff said" but I'll go on. The Cultists aren't aware that Alessa and Dark Alessa are seperate entities. They think the little girl they burned is the same demon that's tormenting them. Either way you look at it, one of them is some kind of "devil" and it's much less affirming for hte cult for Dark Alessa to be such a demon. And, as I said in another thread, I interpret Dark Alessa as a figure of justice. A very dark, twisted, vile, awful, evil form of justice, but justice all the same.

I'll give you that Dark Alessa COULD be a split personality though. It's a possibility offered through an interview with Gans, but it doesn't seem like Silent Hill has any pre-existing reality warping powers in the movie. Infact, Gans said he wanted to do the first game as a movie to explain the source of the Town's power. We could go with the parapsychology idea of reality being as much of an illusion as a drug trip, and that Alessa created the Dark Alessa without any additional psychic powers that a normal person doesn't have.

See above. I'm thinking that the Dark Part of Alessa either thought she was a demon, was being ironic, or became a demon in the cult member's minds as a result of the altered reality. The only sticking point is Dark Alessa being unable to affect the church, but this could either be explained that Alessa is taking her demon role seriously or a side-effect of the new reality caused by some of the cult members influence ("Demons don't enter churchs")

Spoiler:

Remember Mary, on her death bed, saying "I must look like a monster." In James' reality, Mary became a monster. Same thing here. "Demon!" "Demon!" Chirstabel screams. Reality changes and the object of their demonizing becomes a demon

touche.

Post by **Denizen** » 15 Sep 2006

AuraTwilight wrote:
Absolutely incorrect. The creature in Alessa's womb is referred to as a God several, several times over. It was just called Samael more because of Dahlia's lie.
Does twice count as many?

Dahlia: Give up! That person no longer exists. This is a God! Descended among us to reach out and save us!

Dahlia: My daughter will be the mother of God!

What I'm saying is if you just played SH1, without knowing about Silent Hill 3, you'd take the end-boss at face value, the conclusion you would get is: The God Dahilia is talking about is Samael the Demon.

The God is only clarified in Silent Hill 3.

If you take this first Silent Hill movie at face value, Dark Alessa=Demon

The God is fueled by fear and pain and hatred. Without it, it's not going to be born at all.
Aren't you the one contending that the movie does not have to follow the game mechanics? Anyway, discussion of the true nature of the God of the games is one for another topic. Powerwise, there's not much difference between the God and the Mother of God in the games, they could be interchangeable. I'm saying if they do insert the Mother of God angle into a future sequel, they could skip a step, and simply make her the God. They're both female, both got reality warping powers, and the symbolism is clearly already there in this first movie.

I was never really arguing that Alessa is really some veiled, skeletal, fire-manipulating giantess. Maybe I should have said that Alessa might by The God's equalivent in the film version of Silent Hill, a God that serve the same function, but might be of a totally different appearence. Much the same way the Order differs in the game from the movie's. Maybe the God of Silent Hill is different as well, and I'm suggesting that Alessa just might be the God of Silent Hill in the movie universe.

Let's see here. "Alessa", "Dark One" and "Demon" Does three count as many?
The latter two were only given to her by the cultists, who are clearly insane and in denial about deserving punishment. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the dark part of Alessa thought she was the Devil. 30 years of tormenting people with omnipotent powers and being called the Devil would convince anyone that's true.

Occam's Razor.
If you applied Occam's Razor to the first game, you would get End Boss=Samael the Demon. We'll just have to wait and see when (if?) future sequels come out. What I'm saying is, there is enough room for interpretation that a plotline more resembling those of the games could be inserted into this line of Silent Hill films.

The "God/Mother of God" angle has been omitted, but not, nescessary, contradicted.

I could say "nuff said" but I'll go on. The Cultists aren't aware that Alessa and Dark Alessa are seperate entities. They think the little girl they burned is the same demon that's tormenting them. Either way you look at it, one of them is some kind of "devil" and it's much less affirming for hte cult for Dark Alessa to be such a demon. And, as I said in another thread, I interpret Dark Alessa as a figure of justice. A very dark, twisted, vile, awful, evil form of justice, but justice all the same.
Agreed. What I'm arguing for is: Alessa as The God=not nessescary bad, just lots of power, not treated right, bad experience. The Demon in control of Alessa=lots of power, inherently bad, no sympathy at all, plus she looks like Christabel from the comics to boot.

I'll give you that Dark Alessa COULD be a split personality though. It's a possibility offered through an interview with Gans, but it doesn't seem like Silent Hill has any pre-existing reality warping powers in the movie. Infact, Gans said he wanted to do the first game as a movie to explain the source of the Town's power. We could go with the parapsychology idea of reality being as much of an illusion as a drug trip, and that Alessa created the Dark Alessa without any additional psychic powers that a normal person doesn't have.

Works for me. Thank you. That's all I needed to hear. Though all the religious symbolism implies something inherently divine about Alessa, something you wouldn't nesscessary get from being a mere psychic or the pawn of a demon.

Post by **Adrasteia** » 15 Sep 2006

I agree with the justice spirit/creature notion of Dark Alessa. Definitely more interested in justice for wrongs committed than in torturing for its own sake, and I don't think she's necessarily evil. Granted, the ways she gets revenge on the cultists are pretty dreadful, but so was what they did to deserve it. Fitting end, I think.

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 15 Sep 2006

Does twice count as many?

Dahlia: Give up! That person no longer exists. This is a God! Descended among us to reach out and save us!

Dahlia: My daughter will be the mother of God!

What I'm saying is if you just played SH1, without knowing about Silent Hill 3, you'd take the end-boss at face value, the conclusion you would get is: The God Dahilia is talking about is Samael the Demon.

The God is only clarified in Silent Hill 3.

If you take this first Silent Hill movie at face value, Dark Alessa=Demon

It's enough to discredit your "Never called God" statement. Not to mention that yea, they're both called Demons in the first game/movie, but Dark Alessa will never be called God. In the games the "Demon Samael" was worshipped. You don't worship something you perceive as evil and fearful like in the movie.

Aren't you the one contending that the movie does not have to follow the game mechanics? Anyway, discussion of the true nature of the God of the games is one for another topic. Powerwise, there's not much difference between the God and the Mother of God in the games, they could be interchangeable. I'm saying if they do insert the Mother of God angle into a future sequel, they could skip a step, and simply make her the God. They're both female, both got reality warping powers, and the symbolism is clearly already there in this first movie.

Yes, and it was the games I was referencing, like you did. Dur.

And no, not really. God and the Mother of God were not interchangable. God was supposed to end all life on Earth upon it's proper birth. The God also is not nessessarily female. Only perceived as such that see God as a female.

I was never really arguing that Alessa is really some veiled, skeletal, fire-manipulating giantess. Maybe I should have said that Alessa might by The God's equalivent in the film version of Silent Hill, a God that serve the same function, but might be of a totally different appearence. Much the same way the Order differs in the game from the movie's. Maybe the God of Silent Hill is different as well, and I'm suggesting that Alessa just might be the God of Silent Hill in the movie universe.

I still doubt it. She was supposed to be a normal girl pushed to her breaking point. Making her a divinity or cosmic power would undermine her entire character.

If you applied Occam's Razor to the first game, you would get End Boss=Samael the Demon. We'll just have to wait and see when (if?) future sequels come out. What I'm saying is, there is enough room for interpretation that a plotline more resembling those of the games could be inserted into this line of Silent Hill films.

The "God/Mother of God" angle has been omitted, but not, nescessary, contradicted.

Except the memo in the First Game that implies Dahlia is lying, like the hidden chapel or Lisa's quote about old gods and yadda yadda. Sure, there's nothing in the cutscenes, but cutscenes only have so much info in Silent Hill.

Works for me. Thank you. That's all I needed to hear. Though all the religious symbolism implies something inherently divine about Alessa, something you wouldn't nesscessary get from being a mere psychic or the pawn of a demon.

Symbolism isn't real. If every figure with divine symbolism was actually divine, the guy from Moby Dick would be Jesus and the White Whale would be the sins of mankind. If you want her to be kinda godlike, we can compromise and interpret Alessa as an evolved human being with reality-warping psychic powers everyone will eventually be able to access, making Alessa a bridge to the Omega Point, and thus equating Man with God.

Post by **Denizen** » 29 Sep 2006

AuraTwilight wrote:

It's enough to discredit your "Never called God" statement.

My bad.

Not to mention that yea, they're both called Demons in the first game/movie, but Dark Alessa will never be called God.
That has yet to be seen.

In the games the "Demon Samael" was worshipped. You don't worship something you perceive as evil and fearful like in the movie.
Agreed.

I still doubt it. She was supposed to be a normal girl pushed to her breaking point. Making her a divinity or cosmic power would undermine her entire character.
I disagree. It adds more tragedy to it. The cult took a miracle and they burned it. And they still burned a little girl regardless. Plus it would provide an explanation for Alessa's powers, one quite apart from demonic sources which carry many unSilent-Hillish conneatations.

Except the memo in the First Game that implies Dahlia is lying, like the hidden chapel or Lisa's quote about old gods and yadda yadda. Sure, there's nothing in the cutscenes, but cutscenes only have so much info in Silent Hill.
Which memo? I'm looking at GameFAQs for the first game and I'm not seeing anything like that. I still think there's enough confusion between the nature of the first game's End Boss to make that mistake.

Symbolism isn't real. If every figure with divine symbolism was actually divine, the guy from Moby Dick would be Jesus and the White Whale would be the sins of mankind. If you want her to be kinda godlike, we can compromise and interpret Alessa as an evolved human being with reality-warping psychic powers everyone will eventually be able to access, making Alessa a bridge to the Omega Point, and thus equating Man with God.

Yeah, Alessa's christlike symbolism aside, what about the last painting at the school? That's the sticking point I can't look past. What does the painting show? It's not Jesus. It doesen't look like any depiction of Mary. No wings, so its not likely to be an angel. What does it look like? A woman in white, that's what. Where have we seen last seen a Woman in White? That's right. The Incubator End-Boss. The painting at the Midwich school (to me) looked like a painting of the Incubator, minus the blinding aura and painted by Norman Rockwell.

And the caption of the painting even said "God."

Now we know that Midwich was run by the Order, now if the Order were a traditional Christian sect, why would they put up a painting of a female God, unless their doctrine shared similaries with their counterpart Order in the games?

Now adding up the other symbols in Alessa's story I came up with this: the Order believed, in addition to witch burnings, that the God presiding over Silent Hill (and the world) is female. That very same deity (assuming that it has some actual existence outside of the cult's beliefs) makes Herself incarnate in Dahila's womb in the form of Alessa. Alessa eventually displays flashes of psychic power (a fact omitted from the film, but true to the games). The God's chosen people, the Order, misinterpret her apperance, and, suspicious of her origins (presumed by them to be a result of premarital sex or adultery on Dahila's part), declare her a witch/demon, and burn her. Alessa's power saves her from death and those powers come to the forefront in the manifested Dark Alessa, but ignorance of her divinity is still unknown to all parties involved.

Her revenge finally acheived she can get on with discovering her true nature and bring about Paradise or/and the destruction of the universe, whichever goal this particular version of the God has.

I'm sticking with this theory unless Alessa's dad shows up in some future sequel or Dahila says "Alessa had a perfectly normal childhood. Nothing out of the ordinary."

How's that for a revelation in a future sequel?

On the other hand, we could omit the painting at the school and the apparent demon for a third possibility. Alessa is the Mother of the God, same as the games. The Order is a traditional Christian Sect. And the God is still the destroyer of the universe. The "witches" that the Order has been burning over the centuries were all the previous "mothers of god", with Dahilia and Alessa being the last of that line. Every time the God has attempted to be born into this world, the Order has mistaken the God's mother for a witch and burned her. Perhaps the Order had some dim understanding of what would happen if a "witch" was allowed to live. Anna says"Burning the witch forestalled the Apocalypse." Birthing the God would end the universe. So Alessa is only one of the "witches" to survive the burning, in doing so she taps into the power of the developing God within her, creates Dark Alessa who throws the town into darkness. Her revenge complete: Alessa/Sharon will grow up and birth the God and end the universe. The only problem with this is that it justifies the cult's burning of witches in a way. They were keeping the universe from ending by doing so, even if they didn't understand the reasons for doing so.

Or fourth possibility, the town has just got a weird quirk of manifesting one person's reality. There is no "the God", there is no Demon, just manifestations of the town. The town has been manifesting the guilt of the cult and the pain of Alessa through an unknown reason, like Silent Hill 2. The town has always been like this, manifesting the guilt and pain of indiviudals (the Indians called it "the Place of Silent Spirits") and only with Alessa has it now become apparent (the town burned down).
For more details on this theory, see http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... &start=570

And then's your Omega point theory.

Post by **Adrasteia** » 29 Sep 2006

Denizen wrote:Yeah, Alessa's christlike symbolism aside, what about the last painting at the school?

If anyone is Christlike in the movie, I'd say it's Cybil. She sacrifices herself so the innocent can be rescued and the wicked punished.

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 29 Sep 2006

Yeah, Alessa's christlike symbolism aside, what about the last painting at the school? That's the sticking point I can't look past. What does the painting show? It's not Jesus. It doesen't look like any depiction of Mary. No wings, so its not likely to be an angel. What does it look like? A woman in white, that's what. Where have we seen last seen a Woman in White? That's right. The Incubator End-Boss. The painting at the Midwich school (to me) looked like a painting of the Incubator, minus the blinding aura and painted by Norman Rockwell.

And the caption of the painting even said "God."

Now we know that Midwich was run by the Order, now if the Order were a traditional Christian sect, why would they put up a painting of a female God, unless their doctrine shared similaries with their counterpart Order in the games?

It could just be an Easter Egg tie-in. Even if their God is female, it doesn't nessessarily believe that their God is meant to be born through a woman and yadda yadda. There are plenty RL christian sects that worship a feminine God.

Now adding up the other symbols in Alessa's story I came up with this: the Order believed, in addition to witch burnings, that the God presiding over Silent Hill (and the world) is female. That very same deity (assuming that it has some actual existence outside of the cult's beliefs) makes Herself incarnate in Dahila's womb in the form of Alessa. Alessa eventually displays flashes of psychic power (a fact omitted from the film, but true to the games). The God's chosen people, the Order, misinterpret her apperance, and, suspicious of her origins (presumed by them to be a result of premarital sex or adultery on Dahila's part), declare her a witch/demon, and burn her. Alessa's power saves her from death and those powers come to the forefront in the manifested Dark Alessa, but ignorance of her divinity is still unknown to all parties involved.

If it's omitted from the film, it probably doesn't APPLY to the film. The Movie is an entirely different universe with an entirely different religion and cosmology. Nothing states she's divine, so Occam's Razor tells us she isn't. If she were divine, she'd also be just and moral, and wouldn't do the stuff she does. Alessa isn't Christ or any similar figure. She's a little girl that got screwed over.

Her revenge finally acheived she can get on with discovering her true nature and bring about Paradise or/and the destruction of the universe, whichever goal this particular version of the God has.

With what she just did, Christ/God is worse than her creations -_-

Alessa acts way too human to be some sort of God or child of God. The only proof Alessa has any sort of supernatural status before she met the Demon is the word of the Cult, and they thought that the world would end if they didn't burn children born out of wedlock.

Post by **Rhen2002** » 04 Oct 2006

DAms wrote:they pretty much spell out in the movie that dark alessa was the devil. If not that then some type of demon thing that made a deal with alessa. alessa gets revenge the demon gets their souls blah bah be da. Thats the only god in SH movie.

Out of all the theories, I agree with this the most. Dark Alessa says she has many names, but only currently the Alessa's dark half.

Plus Gans says its the Devil in the Path of Darkness. Just glad it didn't get more basic and cliched than that. The film already had a more simple and less compelling story than the game. Having this becoming the focus of the film would have been overkill.

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 04 Oct 2006

Out of all the theories, I agree with this the most. Dark Alessa says she has many names, but only currently the Alessa's dark half.

Plus Gans says its the Devil in the Path of Darkness. Just glad it didn't get more basic and cliched than that. The film already had a more simple and less compelling story than the game. Having this becoming the focus of the film would have been overkill.

It could still be a manifestation. Ghosts appear in SH that aren't ghosts and gods appear that aren't gods. Maria didn't know she wasn't human, just like Dark Alessa doesn't have to know she's not a demon.

Post by **28/m/nazareth** » 08 Oct 2006

Hmm... I don't know if this is to be taken literally... but when Cristophe approached Jodelle Ferland about the role of "memory of Alessa" he told her that she would be playing the role of the devil. He was talking to a child, so I don't know if he tried to make the whole Alessa thing a little less confusing for little Jodelle and just said "the devil"

No matter what, her response is cute. "I've always wanted to play the devil!"