The Christabella thread o_o;;;
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The Christabella thread o_o;;;
Hmmm this thought just struck me out of the blue.
When we first saw Christabella, she gave me the image of 'the villain'. But after a while, upon rewatching the whole thing, I began to wonder......
Is Christabella really all THAT bad?
She strikes to me as someone who is just doing her job. I mean, she did told everyone to shut up when Rose and Cybil first entered the church and the peeps started giving the two ladies a hard time and she was dedicated enough to enter the hospital where "the demon" was in.
I mean, if she is all that bad, she would've just gave Rose the direction and go something like "Yeh, you're on your own now. So get lost."
To top it all off, it was rumored that Christabella even wanted to send some of the miners down to escort Rose to the basement. Had she been such a bitch, she wouldn't have done things like that even though her posture and the way she talked really make everyone feel like beating the crap out of her.
But here's one thing......
Would Christabella have helped Rose find Sharon if she hadn't pick up Rose's locket (which contained a picture of Sharon) ?
And in a certain manner, does Christabella really have that hidden Claudia quality (eg believing that people are the children of God and all) but her religion always forced her to see things differently?
I'm just curious to see what theories and opinions you guys have on this character ^^;;
When we first saw Christabella, she gave me the image of 'the villain'. But after a while, upon rewatching the whole thing, I began to wonder......
Is Christabella really all THAT bad?
She strikes to me as someone who is just doing her job. I mean, she did told everyone to shut up when Rose and Cybil first entered the church and the peeps started giving the two ladies a hard time and she was dedicated enough to enter the hospital where "the demon" was in.
I mean, if she is all that bad, she would've just gave Rose the direction and go something like "Yeh, you're on your own now. So get lost."
To top it all off, it was rumored that Christabella even wanted to send some of the miners down to escort Rose to the basement. Had she been such a bitch, she wouldn't have done things like that even though her posture and the way she talked really make everyone feel like beating the crap out of her.
But here's one thing......
Would Christabella have helped Rose find Sharon if she hadn't pick up Rose's locket (which contained a picture of Sharon) ?
And in a certain manner, does Christabella really have that hidden Claudia quality (eg believing that people are the children of God and all) but her religion always forced her to see things differently?
I'm just curious to see what theories and opinions you guys have on this character ^^;;
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Rose and Cybil were outsiders. Non followers of their faith. Christabella felt they wouldn't survive without knowledge of how to live amongst her and her people away from "The Demon" and "The Darkness".
Christabella told Rose she didn't expect her back alive. She wouldn't risk the lives of her miners. The miners would have led Rose and Cybil towards the nurses but took another route to escape before encoutering any monsters. Of course she needed to act in a well manner, she wanted to convince Rose that she was of some help but Rose's decisions depended on her herself. Christabella felt Rose was of no help, nor threat. She didn't like Cybil though...
Christabella told Rose she didn't expect her back alive. She wouldn't risk the lives of her miners. The miners would have led Rose and Cybil towards the nurses but took another route to escape before encoutering any monsters. Of course she needed to act in a well manner, she wanted to convince Rose that she was of some help but Rose's decisions depended on her herself. Christabella felt Rose was of no help, nor threat. She didn't like Cybil though...
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Everything would've been fine if she never noticed that the picture in Rose's locket of Sheryl, because she looked exactly like Alessa, SO of course Christabella is going to completely flip out and that's when it all goes to hell.
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In Christabella's defence, the practice of witch burning is not of her own invention and she is merely following the faith of her ancestors.
However, I think it is clear that Christabella is completely and utterly over devoted to her faith to frightning degrees. She is willing to kill her own niece to bring paradise. She is also willing to order the death of anyone she considers a witch.
Look at the way she deals with the murder of Anna. She doesn't bat an eyelid, because she sees Anna's punishment as just, she merely brushes aside the death. Christabella is a good of example why I think religion is the world's greatest evil, but that's another story.
I'd say on the whole that Christabella is not evil, but rather extremely warped.
However, I think it is clear that Christabella is completely and utterly over devoted to her faith to frightning degrees. She is willing to kill her own niece to bring paradise. She is also willing to order the death of anyone she considers a witch.
Look at the way she deals with the murder of Anna. She doesn't bat an eyelid, because she sees Anna's punishment as just, she merely brushes aside the death. Christabella is a good of example why I think religion is the world's greatest evil, but that's another story.
I'd say on the whole that Christabella is not evil, but rather extremely warped.
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Christabella didn't like Cybil.......o_o come to think of it, WHAT made this woman hate that cop so much?Moosefrenzy wrote: Christabella told Rose she didn't expect her back alive. She wouldn't risk the lives of her miners. The miners would have led Rose and Cybil towards the nurses but took another route to escape before encoutering any monsters. Of course she needed to act in a well manner, she wanted to convince Rose that she was of some help but Rose's decisions depended on her herself. Christabella felt Rose was of no help, nor threat. She didn't like Cybil though...
Was it because Cybil made it clear that there would be no jack shit going on to Rose and her when they first stepped into the chaotic church?
Or was it because Cybil was a cop and to some certain extent, I always heard stories that cops or anyone in uniform aren't really that well welcomed in situation like that.
Think, if you are someone in uniform (armed with weapons) and you stepped into a church filled with extremist of a certain religion and all.....o_o
AuraTwilight >>> I don't know what will Christabella do if Rose were to attempt to see things her way. That's what I'm curious about. Would the intended ending of Cybil being killed and all still happen if Christabella didn't see that photo of Sharon in Rose's locket? o.o;;;
Follower >>> XD I like your take on Christabella as an example on religion (mainly because I agree that these days, religion can be the worst of what the world is experiencing right now with all these war issues and all >.< ) .
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Christabella prob'ly didn't like Cybil very much because she fired a gun in their sanctuary.
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Cybil didn't believe. That is the main reason why Christabelle didn't like her. When she said something about non-believers she directly looked at Cybil. Also Cybil just looked threatning, not quite lady-like. Possibly that can play a factor in the dislike, since Christabella is all proper and the leader. At the end Christabella sees Rose a threat to that same leaders ship as well and she must stop that, hence what had happened.
According to Christabella, what she was doing was completely right. That was her belief and how she was raised. Kinda like if a kid grew up with parents that drank alcohol, they might think it is alright to get drunk.
According to Christabella, what she was doing was completely right. That was her belief and how she was raised. Kinda like if a kid grew up with parents that drank alcohol, they might think it is alright to get drunk.
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Becuase of fear of what happened/will happen at the end. Since Rose made it clear she was looking for HER child, when Christabella found out that her child was similiar to what Alessa looks like, that produced fear that Alessa/the demon might attack. Since Rose would do anything for her kid, she might help the demon out and bye-bye Christabella and company.
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Alessa wasn't her niece. She called Dahlia "sister" in the religious sense, like nuns do. And I don't think she was trying to bring paradise, but rather just get rid of what she perceived to be evil and restore innocence. Nowhere in the script does she mention paradise, just vanquishing the demon and purifying filth, etc.Follower wrote:She is willing to kill her own niece to bring paradise.
I disagree with the "religion is the worst kind of evil" belief. It's not really fair to cite Christabella as an example for this, as she is at the extreme.zaftgirl wrote:Follower >>> XD I like your take on Christabella as an example on religion (mainly because I agree that these days, religion can be the worst of what the world is experiencing right now with all these war issues and all >.< ) .
I found various religions have been merely been used as a means or excuse for "evil" or at least questionable purposes; the original messages of peace tend to be lost to propaganda such as "divine right." Some modern religions I feel are created just to rationalize, justify and condone unethical behaviors or modern practices.
Think about it, if religion was abolished, it would come down to politics as a tool. Then money. Then if if economics was gone, at the core, is mere survival - always a constant. Many animals do things we would regard as evil. From the viewpoint "religion is the worst evil," you'll have to acknowledge the belief that religion is the product of people in the first place. Thus, people are the worst of kind of evil.
It's okay to feel the way you do - I think the more people can question others' beliefs, along with examining our own, is a step in the right direction.
i don't think all religion's r evil. at the end of the day, evil is a label humans created, we make it possible, so if anything is evil it is ebcause we make it evil.
however to me Christabella was a major representation of cults in the past and even now, that persecute what they fear. for example, did any of u know that women used to get burned because of their periods? people didnt understand it.
its a sad fact to life that people fear what they do not understand.
Christabella was a bitch in my opinion, letting her faith rule her, a faith she made to suit her. she murders Rose, but she then justifies it because she is a so called 'blasphemer'.
i refuse to succumb to following a religious path, because of people like her, who use their religion/cult as an excuse for anything they do.
i obey the law, but i will not have people tell me how to live in any other aspects of my life.
at the end of the day with Christianity for example, the Bible was written by people, so how can it all be truth? people change things to suit them.
i see religion as just another tool for power...and power corrupts.
however to me Christabella was a major representation of cults in the past and even now, that persecute what they fear. for example, did any of u know that women used to get burned because of their periods? people didnt understand it.
its a sad fact to life that people fear what they do not understand.
Christabella was a bitch in my opinion, letting her faith rule her, a faith she made to suit her. she murders Rose, but she then justifies it because she is a so called 'blasphemer'.
i refuse to succumb to following a religious path, because of people like her, who use their religion/cult as an excuse for anything they do.
i obey the law, but i will not have people tell me how to live in any other aspects of my life.
at the end of the day with Christianity for example, the Bible was written by people, so how can it all be truth? people change things to suit them.
i see religion as just another tool for power...and power corrupts.
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I have the bias opinion that religion is 'evil' because of alot of things that happened when I was growing up, all based on that issue. For example, I had a classmate whose brother was thrown out of the house just because he married a girl he loved and the girl wasn't of Catholic upbringing.
He got thrown out of the house and was told that he was no longer part of the family and before the marriage was initiated, he had a perfect, ordinary life. That was just one of the issue and also for someone like me who is forced to obey a certain religion and isn't allowed to make her own choices in what religion I wish to follow, I think that just adds up to why I think this way ^^;;
Sorry if my comments did offend anyone here though....^^;
Back to the topic of Christabella - the woman who was blinded by her faith. At least she did died knowing that there was more beyond this world then what she was taught by her own ancestor's faith, or at least it seems that way.
Hmmm I was wondering, does she rule Silent Hill, in a sense that she acts who has to die, who gets to live to see tomorrow and so on? o_o It seems that way.
He got thrown out of the house and was told that he was no longer part of the family and before the marriage was initiated, he had a perfect, ordinary life. That was just one of the issue and also for someone like me who is forced to obey a certain religion and isn't allowed to make her own choices in what religion I wish to follow, I think that just adds up to why I think this way ^^;;
Sorry if my comments did offend anyone here though....^^;
Back to the topic of Christabella - the woman who was blinded by her faith. At least she did died knowing that there was more beyond this world then what she was taught by her own ancestor's faith, or at least it seems that way.
Hmmm I was wondering, does she rule Silent Hill, in a sense that she acts who has to die, who gets to live to see tomorrow and so on? o_o It seems that way.
Um... Christabella, ruling Silent Hill? No. She didn't seem suicidal to me, and even if she was, there are ways more pleasant to extreminate one's own existance than being raped with barbed wire - I don't think anyone wants to disagree on that, now? =P
What I always wondered about was that Christabella picked up the locket and didn't give it away immediately. And she always had that "I know exactly what is going on and I'm gonna fuck You up big-time when I think it's appropriate" - grin on her face. It kind of seemed to me that she pulled that locket stunt on purpose.
But, honestly, I wouldn't know what for... just a feeling.
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What I always wondered about was that Christabella picked up the locket and didn't give it away immediately. And she always had that "I know exactly what is going on and I'm gonna fuck You up big-time when I think it's appropriate" - grin on her face. It kind of seemed to me that she pulled that locket stunt on purpose.
But, honestly, I wouldn't know what for... just a feeling.
By the way, check the 2nd caricature in my sig for a Christabella caricature. [/shameless self-advertisement]
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The bad guy is always someone "just doing their job". There is no definite meaning of good or bad, it's just two opposing forces, one just seems to be more popular than the other. Hitler was convinced that he was good and doing God's work, but 6,000,000 Jews can't be wrong.
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Night Flutter >>> LOL!! Now that you mentioned it, I think I'm starting to see the link here between Christabella and allll the bad guys in alll the movies. They always think that they're doing justice to the world XD!!!
Sylvine >>> Hmm.....what I'm more puzzled about the locket is that Rose totally forgot about the locket when it was being pulled off her neck by the insane cultists. Rose strikes me as a rather alert person o_o;; Or maybe in an overwhelming situation like that, she was just.......stunned?
But I wonder, what if the locket wasn't there in the first place since from what I see, the locket was the cause of this all. o_o;;
Sylvine >>> Hmm.....what I'm more puzzled about the locket is that Rose totally forgot about the locket when it was being pulled off her neck by the insane cultists. Rose strikes me as a rather alert person o_o;; Or maybe in an overwhelming situation like that, she was just.......stunned?
But I wonder, what if the locket wasn't there in the first place since from what I see, the locket was the cause of this all. o_o;;
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i get it!Rhen2002 wrote:Poor Christabella... first cats come and scratch her up, then barbed wire!
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