Lisa's painting??? (spoilers)

Post by **whiteclaudia9** » 26 Jun 2009

Oh yeah! The eye twitching thing...That had me confused for the longest time.

Post by **The Adversary** » 26 Jun 2009

>Her eye is twitching.
She abuses a highly addictive and potent hallucinogen.

GrievousGarland · Post by **GrievousGarland** » 26 Jun 2009

MMY wrote:>Her eye is twitching.
She abuses a highly addictive and potent hallucinogen.

That she has no recollection of doing. She doesn't remember the basement storeroom. None of that shit happened to the Lisa we meet.

Plus, she shows no other affects till then. You can rationalize it that way if you wish. But it's just plain stupid.

Post by **SHACKled89451** » 26 Jun 2009

It doesn't make much sense for Alessa to try other measures when she already knows one that will be effective.

Sorry to say, but that sounds like a pretty uneducated statement. It makes perfect sense to use other measures. If you were really that intent on stopping someone, wouldn't you use ANY means at your disposal? Sure, the "cheryl construct" worked in a sense, but I'm sure she would try any and everything else as backup in case cheryl failed or only served to slow harry down, which, in essence, is all she did.

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 26 Jun 2009

I don't thin PTV is potent enough to cause derangements and eye twitching HOURS after the last dosage (you can't tell me Lisa's been snorting the shit while waiting for Harry).

And to me, it seems pretty clear that the events were set off by Alessa's control being broken. While Alessa is active, Lisa has a subconscious drive to not leave the room she can't explain or override, then when the Flauros is used, Lisa gains enough willpower and freedom to go investigate the basement.

Post by **The Adversary** » 26 Jun 2009

>That she has no recollection of doing.
So if I don't remember doing something I didn't do it? Vehicular manslaughter never sounded so feasible.

>PTV [isn't] potent enough to cause derangements and eye twitching HOURS after the last dosage
And you base this on. . . ? As far as I know, there's absolutely nothing regarding the effects of PTV save for what the audience is shown in Silent Hill. I'm pretty sure what you mean to say is, "I don't like the idea PTV is potent enough to cause eye twitching b/c I don't want to think you may have in fact introduced a point I had previously not considered."

>Lisa gains enough willpower and freedom to go investigate the basement.
Funny that the place she goes afterward is where all the PTV is.

Post by **SHACKled89451** » 26 Jun 2009

MMY wrote:>That she has no recollection of doing.
So if I don't remember doing something I didn't do it? Vehicular manslaughter never sounded so feasible.

>PTV [isn't] potent enough to cause derangements and eye twitching HOURS after the last dosage
And you base this on. . . ? As far as I know, there's absolutely nothing regarding the effects of PTV save for what the audience is shown in Silent Hill. I'm pretty what you mean to say is, "I don't like the idea PTV is potent enough to cause eye twitching b/c I don't want to think you may have in fact introduced a point I had previously not considered."

>Lisa gains enough willpower and freedom to go investigate the basement.
Funny that the place she goes afterward is where all the PTV is.

....so there!

Does her eye twitching really have to mean anything speacial? Maybe she just has a tick....

GrievousGarland · Post by **GrievousGarland** » 26 Jun 2009

MMY wrote:>That she has no recollection of doing.
So if I don't remember doing something I didn't do it? Vehicular manslaughter never sounded so feasible.

>PTV [isn't] potent enough to cause derangements and eye twitching HOURS after the last dosage
And you base this on. . . ? As far as I know, there's absolutely nothing regarding the effects of PTV save for what the audience is shown in Silent Hill. I'm pretty sure what you mean to say is, "I don't like the idea PTV is potent enough to cause eye twitching b/c I don't want to think you may have in fact introduced a point I had previously not considered."

>Lisa gains enough willpower and freedom to go investigate the basement.
Funny that the place she goes afterward is where all the PTV is.

Yes, but nothing indicates that PTV would do that. You are assuming it does because you don't like the idea of Lisa falling apart.

She wouldn't take any of that PTV in the basement anyway because she doesn't know what it is. Remember? The basement seems only vaguely familiar.

Post by **The Adversary** » 26 Jun 2009

>nothing indicates that PTV would do that.
Occam's razor slices and dices:

Lisa's eye twitches b/c she's falling apart after a prÃ¦ternatural pyramid is unleashed vs. Lisa's eye twitches b/c she has a drug problem

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. . . .

>She wouldn't take any of that PTV in the basement anyway because she doesn't know what it is.
The boxes all indicate exactly what's in them. Lisa knows how to read. I bet she could figure it out.

Regardless of how familiar she is down there, she goes there. Remember the last line of her diary? "Need drug." Huh. And Harry happens to find her in M.K.'s drug storeroom.

GrievousGarland · Post by **GrievousGarland** » 26 Jun 2009

MMY wrote:>nothing indicates that PTV would do that.
Occam's razor slices and dices:

Lisa's eye twitches b/c she's falling apart after a prÃ¦ternatural pyramid is unleashed vs. Lisa's eye twitches b/c she has a drug problem

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. . . .

>She wouldn't take any of that PTV in the basement anyway because she doesn't know what it is.
The boxes all indicate exactly what's in them. Lisa knows how to read. I bet she could figure it out.

Regardless of how familiar she is down there, she goes there. Remember the last line of her diary? "Need drug." Huh. And Harry happens to find her in M.K.'s drug storeroom.

Lisa doesn't know she has a drug problem until after she leaves Harry the last time. It is impossible for her to have taken the white claudia she finds in the basement and the result be the eye twitch.

Post by **The Adversary** » 26 Jun 2009

>Lisa doesn't know she has a drug problem
I wish I would've recorded my immediate reaction to reading that. I don't think I could possibly imitate the "WHAT?" I just ejected.

So the final line of her diary is no indication of addiction? and, equally important, how is it "impossible for her to have taken the [PTV] she finds in the basement'?

This discussion becomes more and more absurd as the moments pass, and you're making less and less sense as the moments pass. I have a feeling there's a direct correlation between the two.

Post by **SHACKled89451** » 27 Jun 2009

MMY wrote:>Lisa doesn't know she has a drug problem
I wish I would've recorded my immediate reaction to reading that. I don't think I could possibly imitate the "WHAT?" I just ejected.

So the final line of her diary is no indication of addiction? and, equally important, how is it "impossible for her to have taken the [PTV] she finds in the basement'?

This discussion becomes more and more absurd as the moments pass, and you're making less and less sense as the moments pass. I have a feeling there's a direct correlation between the two.

You should change your name from MMY to AHLW. (Always Has the Last Word)

Good point about the absurdity to nonsense correlation of the latter pages of this thread though...

GrievousGarland · Post by **GrievousGarland** » 27 Jun 2009

MMY wrote:>Lisa doesn't know she has a drug problem
I wish I would've recorded my immediate reaction to reading that. I don't think I could possibly imitate the "WHAT?" I just ejected.

So the final line of her diary is no indication of addiction? and, equally important, how is it "impossible for her to have taken the [PTV] she finds in the basement'?

This discussion becomes more and more absurd as the moments pass, and you're making less and less sense as the moments pass. I have a feeling there's a direct correlation between the two.

Hmm... you must not get it. Before Lisa finds that diary she doesn't know she has a drug problem. She doesn't know who Alessa is, and the basement is only vaguely familiar. She doesn't even know what white claudia is.

The past 7 years are gone, this is made evident by her not knowing what's in the basement when Harry asks. When she does finally go down there, it's only "strangely familiar". She hasn't put together any of the pieces. So she isn't going to dope herself up and sit behind Harry and twitch when he wakes up. That's bullshit.

Post by **Video Gamer** » 27 Jun 2009

I jump into the middle of this argument to say:
You're arguing over whether the twitch in someone's eye is relevant or not. Whether it's because she's "falling apart" or because she's on dope doesn't matter. The point is to immediately get you suspicious about what's going on, make those little flags go up. Arguing over what it's caused by is nearly pointless.

GrievousGarland · Post by **GrievousGarland** » 27 Jun 2009

Yes, I suppose it is. MMY and I clearly have drastic disagreements over the nature of Lisa. I don't think any of this debating is going to iron them out.

I mean, I'm arguing with the guy who thinks that Lisa has a parasite. It's futile.

Post by **Video Gamer** » 27 Jun 2009

You can at least prove to yourself, and whoever's reading your posts, your point. Unfortunately I never saw the point because I was too busy wondering why you guys were arguing over something so superficial. But hey, that's just me; maybe this is a bigger deal than I can see.

Post by **The Adversary** » 27 Jun 2009

>Hmm... you must not get it.
There's nothing to "get." Lisa doesn't "find" the diary. Harry does.

Your clouded perception of what you want Lisa to be is absurd, and disregards logic.

>You can at least prove to yourself, and whoever's reading your posts, your point.
He can't prove his point b/c there's no evidence w/ which to prove it. Fan-fiction doesn't count.

GrievousGarland · Post by **GrievousGarland** » 27 Jun 2009

MMY wrote:>Hmm... you must not get it.
There's nothing to "get." Lisa doesn't "find" the diary. Harry does.

Your clouded perception of what you want Lisa to be is absurd, and disregards logic.

>You can at least prove to yourself, and whoever's reading your posts, your point.
He can't prove his point b/c there's no evidence w/ which to prove it. Fan-fiction doesn't count.

Like I said, we disagree. But calling it fan-fiction is kinda rude. I'm just going on what the game gives me. The game doesn't need to print everything in huge, red letters for it to be true. Are you also the person that doesn't believe that Angela was sexually abused?

Plus, given the fact that what you think makes zero sense... my logic is a lot clearer.

and listen, that diary doesn't appear until after you watch Lisa die (again!), before that it's no where to be found. Isn't it safe to assume that the diary's appearance has something to do with Lisa appearing (you know, like she had it on her person)?

and like I said, the poor girl remembers nothing, not until long after you see the eye twitch. Do I have to make you a time line? You are not getting it buddy. Wish you'd listen for once.

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 27 Jun 2009

>PTV [isn't] potent enough to cause derangements and eye twitching HOURS after the last dosage
And you base this on. . . ? As far as I know, there's absolutely nothing regarding the effects of PTV save for what the audience is shown in Silent Hill. I'm pretty sure what you mean to say is, "I don't like the idea PTV is potent enough to cause eye twitching b/c I don't want to think you may have in fact introduced a point I had previously not considered."

No, more, "There's pretty much no drug in real life that still retains a high for over eight hours like PTV would have to in order to be responsible, and there's especially no drug in real life that is taken, has a high, then stops doing anything, then several hours alter, starts making the bitch tweak back out."

>Lisa gains enough willpower and freedom to go investigate the basement.
Funny that the place she goes afterward is where all the PTV is.

It's also where Alessa's Room is, and probably what made her freak out and start remembering things. I don't know about you, but even if I was a drug addict, I wouldn't be shooting up while my coworkers are possessed zombies out to kill me.

Post by **neonblack** » 28 Jun 2009

AuraTwilight wrote:I don't know about you, but even if I was a drug addict, I wouldn't be shooting up while my coworkers are possessed zombies out to kill me.

You don't know junkies very well...

We don't know anything about the effects. It's very plausible that the twitching is caused by the drug; it's also plausible that it's a nervous reaction. Agree to disagree.