Bad + Ending. (Spoliers)

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Bad + Ending. (Spoliers)

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If and when one gets the Bad plus ending, we know Harry died all along, and he could never save Cheryl...Now my question is: Did Cheryl die in the accident too? Or did the Cult get thier hands on her? thus birthing God/The Incubus and decending the World into utter Hell?
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I believe when Harry as the crash at the start of the game, Cheryl and Alessa become one. Alessa needed to become one with Cheryl, so she could get enough strength to try for one last time to stop the birthing of God, before it was too late.
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So technically speaking no matter what ending you get, you won’t get your Cheryl back, unless you get the good and good + endings, but even then you don’t get your 7 year old Cheryl, but a new born baby.
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Uhh I don't think that in the "Real" ending Harry did die. Especially since
SH3 has him in it, which if you did not know is a direct sequel to SH1.
The bad endings are just fuck with your head endings.
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emptimass wrote:Uhh I don't think that in the "Real" ending Harry did die. Especially since
SH3 has him in it, which if you did not know is a direct sequel to SH1.
The bad endings are just fuck with your head endings.
I'm not asking about a "real" ending though, I'm asking what you believe happened/would happen if/when Harry died if/when one gets the Bad Plus ending. (I personally believe that the Good + ending is the 'true' SH ending, but that's a topic for another thread.)
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emptimass wrote:(I personally believe that the Good + ending is the 'true' SH ending, but that's a topic for another thread.)
I could be wrong, since it's late and I’m tired and I don't want to start researching now, but I believe the "good" ending is the real one from SH1, because
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Cybil really dies in SH.
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Harry doesn't die in the Bad+ ending; that's the Bad ending.
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I always thought that the Bad+ ending was actually good for Harry...think about it.
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With the bad ending he dies, and with the good endings, he gets Heather which leads to SH3 where he dies.
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>I always thought that the Bad+ ending was actually good for Harry
For the second time: Harry doesn't die in the Bad+ ending. He leaves town with the Daugter of God.
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the Adversary wrote:>I always thought that the Bad+ ending was actually good for Harry
For the second time: Harry doesn't die in the Bad+ ending. He leaves town with the Daugter of God.
Did I say he died in the Bad+ ending? No. I meant just the regular bad ending. And what daughter? Cybil tells him to go...and that's it. Alessa dosen't give him the baby or anything.
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Oh, right. Totally forgot what I was thinking of--and read "In the bad endings..." from your post.

>Alessa dosen't give him the baby or anything.
That's true too. Alessa doesn't give Harry a baby at all: God does. Anyway. Point is, I was thinking of the Good ending & receiving the Child.
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Anyone else find it funny how the Bad+ Ending is where Cybil survives and leaves with you...? Because I do. Stupid Cybil.

Anyway, remember Jacob's Ladder?
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How Jacob pretty much put it all together in his head as he was dying?
That's essentially how I saw SH1 after getting the Bad ending.
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Krist. wrote:Anyone else find it funny how the Bad+ Ending is where Cybil survives and leaves with you...? Because I do. Stupid Cybil.

Anyway, remember Jacob's Ladder?
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How Jacob pretty much put it all together in his head as he was dying?
That's essentially how I saw SH1 after getting the Bad ending.
I thought that too...but I also thought Alessa might've teleported him back to the normal world. I've got nothing to support this, but the Bad+ ending. (If it weren't for cybil he would end up in the car)
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Perhaps since Harry dies in the mist world, his body surfaces as being dead in his jeep, sort of like how the bodies were found that Walter killed once they died within his mental unreality.
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I can be stubborn but I don't want admit that Cybill died...

In pother post somebody said that Harry didn't used the Aglaophotis in her and cause this Heather has it in the third game but just think in this... Heather just has a small pill; Harry had a water bottle filled with this...

An't be possible that Harry tried to get more Aglkaopothis from the bike in the Norman's motel? Remember that KAufman said that he had more in the place from that came...
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After playeing the game recently ( last night ) I do believe that harry lives through the bad +, but kinda gets shafted. the only one he dies in is full on bad, and good + its like he gets to start everything over, only with a hotter woman....


too bad he dosnt get lisa..... *drools*
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KageReneko wrote:I can be stubborn but I don't want admit that Cybill died...

In pother post somebody said that Harry didn't used the Aglaophotis in her and cause this Heather has it in the third game but just think in this... Heather just has a small pill; Harry had a water bottle filled with this...

An't be possible that Harry tried to get more Aglkaopothis from the bike in the Norman's motel? Remember that KAufman said that he had more in the place from that came...
Harry cannot have used the aglaophotis in his water bottle on Cybil, because at that point of the game, he doesn't have the slightest idea of what the stuff is or what it does. It's just a smelly chemical he found. Now, I don't know about you, but if someone's possessed and gunning for me, I'm going to fight them back. The last thing I would ever do is to reach into my pocket and splash a chemical in her face. I don't know what the stuff is, and it's more likely than not that the chemical would do serious damage to her. For all you know, that stuff is as nasty as ammonia or bleach. Only a moron would splash someone in the face with an unknown chemical, for any reason whatsoever.

So, he doesn't know it will help. He has no way of knowing it won't hurt her badly. But also, he has no idea what the stuff is, period. He picks it up and basically sees some one more time, learning nothing at all about its nature or purpose. He never does learn what the stuff is used for until he sees Kaufmann use it on the Woman in White.

Ergo, there is no possible way Cybil survives.
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KageReneko wrote:I can be stubborn but I don't want admit that Cybill died...

In pother post somebody said that Harry didn't used the Aglaophotis in her and cause this Heather has it in the third game but just think in this... Heather just has a small pill; Harry had a water bottle filled with this...

An't be possible that Harry tried to get more Aglkaopothis from the bike in the Norman's motel? Remember that KAufman said that he had more in the place from that came...
I believe that when Kaufmann makes that comment of “There’s more where that came from”, he is implying that he has the power and resource to get and manufacture more if needed, not that he had more hidden on that bike. If my memory is right, I believe that in one of the SH games or an official SH book, I can’t remember which it makes mention of Cybil dying when SH1 took place.
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Jedah wrote:
KageReneko wrote:I can be stubborn but I don't want admit that Cybill died...

In pother post somebody said that Harry didn't used the Aglaophotis in her and cause this Heather has it in the third game but just think in this... Heather just has a small pill; Harry had a water bottle filled with this...

An't be possible that Harry tried to get more Aglkaopothis from the bike in the Norman's motel? Remember that KAufman said that he had more in the place from that came...
I believe that when Kaufmann makes that comment of “There’s more where that came from”, he is implying that he has the power and resource to get and manufacture more if needed, not that he had more hidden on that bike. If my memory is right, I believe that in one of the SH games or an official SH book, I can’t remember which it makes mention of Cybil dying when SH1 took place.
I remember Kaufmann mentioned something about the military...is it possible that's his resource? He came off as some military veteran to me for some reason, (His Voice Actor perhaps) is it possible he used some people he used to know for the making of the Aglaophotis?
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