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Gravedigger
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MMY mentioned something about this in another thread, so I decided to do research for it.

The Green Lion is a figure in alchemy used as a kind of symbol or metaphor for an alchemical process. In this case, it represented vitriol and the dissolving powers it had. What's particularly interesting is that in a certain method of creating vitriol, the resulting liquid can dissolve even gold. To alchemists, this ability was rather metaphorical, and the strength of the Green Lion was immortalized in the symbol of the Green Lion devouring the sun.

However, other alchemists believed that the Green Lion represented the raw energy of nature, and stood for the chlorophyll that consumed the sun's rays. Alchemists that believed this usually tried to create living things in their experiments.

I think it's an interesting, if ironic, parallel to Dahlia's beliefs: while she believed in a cult that was supposed to have brought about God, and generally in birth and growing, the world that God existed in was decaying and rusted.

Remember Harry's venture into Dahlia's shop? The back room held an altar with an alchemical symbol, and it transported Harry into the world full of rusted, warped, and dissolving metal. While Dahlia's home base was undoubtedly called after the latter of the processes, the effect she was having was gradually producing the first.


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Kickass.

I also want to provide the speculation that Alessa was a homunculus. Just for baseless fun.

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Technically, split Alessa could be a kind of homunculus, if we go by this definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus ... of_alchemy

If we understand split Alessa to have gone hideous pain and torture in order to transform into a new being. What's interesting about the article I just cited is that it's incorporating the ideas of opposition in being.

Although it would be kind of creepy if she was a homunculus by the more well known method, where Dahlia got sperm and used alchemy to nurture it into a baby. Without having impregnated herself.


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Intereresting, yet kinda strange. For example, this:

>Although it would be kind of creepy if she was a homunculus by the more well known method, where Dahlia got sperm and used alchemy to nurture it into a baby. Without having impregnated herself.

Black magic, eh?


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I'm glad people are starting to examine some things no one here has before.

> The back room held an altar with an alchemical symbol
The only image is of Incubus, behind the chalice and altar.

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^Are you saying that the Christ like "tablet" was Incubus? Strange, I thought that Dahlia did believed that his appearance was of a demon.


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The picture behind the alter is definitely the Incubus. this is a bit off topic, but I've always wondered, when Dahlia says "The demon is awakening, spreading those wings" is she describing the Incubus or is just some random metaphor. It seems that she always knew what it looked like, did she see it before?


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Incubus is depicted on the wall murals of The Order's chapel (in Silent Hill 3), so we know Dahlia has always had this image in mind.

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^Uh, not trying to be an asshole but can you please stop with the riddles? An image would be quite helpful, or a description of the Incubus "paintings". . .


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Eat me.

If you call that a riddle, I don't know what a riddle is.

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You know, I was trying to be kinda "polite" fuck if it's not the right word but yeah, go to Hell then. You only say "Incubus is in that way" and when you ask "where?" it looks like you say "go search for it" how I'll go search for a thing that I don't even know what the fuck it looks like? Nevermind, the middle finger for you and your "greatness".


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I explicitly state where the image of Incubus is depicted in both Silent Hill and Silent Hill 3. If you can't find the images from that, then there are bigger issues at hand—like, have you even played the games?

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Yes I played these games, thank you. But I don't have an eye for everything like you have, I only know that there's pictures regarding the whole "creation" on SH3's church. I didn't knew about a picture of Incubus until now so yeah.

EDIT: I only asked for a information of some sort, where exactly can you find the Incubus picture, that's all. I know that it's in the church but where exactly?


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It's in the "other church", as you know, right behind the altar. Use the self-view mode and you can clearly see that it's the Incubus. It's the only picture in the room, you'll be able to locate it easily : )


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^Thank you, that's all I needed to know. If MMY did this long ago none of this nonsense would happen.

Sorry to ruin your thread, Sionnan. . .


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No problem, but in MMY's defense, he did say:
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The only image is of Incubus, behind the chalice and altar.

Which also gives you an idea of where to look, granted you already know that we are talking about the "other church", but you must considering the original topic of this thread.


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^I thought that he was talking about the altar of SH1, in the Green Lion Antiques. It looked like that he was, seriously.

Nevermind, let's move foward. . . My bad if I made a "tempest inside a cup" for nothin'


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We are talking about the altar in the antique shop in SH1. You know, when you go into the hole and find the "other church" with the altar and the chalice with the white powder and Harry says "I wonder what they worship?" Well, right in front of him is the picture.

But you are right, we've already drifted off topic enough for now.


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That's right, I knew about the SH1 Incubus "tablet" before. Then he said about SH3 and that was the climax of the "feud". Lol, so confusing. . .


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I'm talking about the chapel in Silent Hill 3 as well. I said so in my second post, in response to Ryoshockwave's question, "did [Dahlia] see [the image of Incubus] before?"

In the chapel, there are several areas where the murals are painted on the upper half of the rooms. These murals depict a woman, Valtiel, and Incubus.

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