SilentWren wrote:
Soulless-Shadow wrote:
She was a young and impressionable teenager whereas he was an adult doctor who should know and act better. If he hadn't given her the drugs in the first place then she probably wouldn't have become addicted etc, and then probably wouldn't have eventually killed herself via overdose.
I don't disagree on any particular point you made, but at the very least, they
both played a part. Lisa should've known not to get involved in a situation that serious and far over her head. I'm sure he coerced her, but she stuck around. It's not like he tied her up and forced her to take that first hit.
Judging from Origins Lisa wasn't coerced into anything. In fact, she seemed quite happy to take part in everything. Nevertheless, Kaufmann was an adult and a doctor to boot, so he should be held even more accountable for introducing her to drugs than she is for taking them in the first place. As a doctor he had a responsibility to help people, whereas Lisa was a dumb teenager. Very few teenagers have the maturity to not get themselves involved in such serious situations, let alone know how to get out of them.
Having said that, to ensure there won't be another misunderstanding or people putting words in my mouth I should add; even though I do believe Kaufmann is more to blame when it comes to introducing Lisa to drugs, that still doesn't diminish Lisa's part in the whole thing. She could have got out of the hospital and away from Kaufmann, and she could have got help with her drug problem, but she didn't. So, she's also responsible.
SilentWren wrote:
Soulless-Shadow wrote:
I'm not pretending she was a saint. I don't actually recall saying that she is, or that she's completely blameless. I'm merely explaining how and why Kaufmann was also responsible, thus giving a reason as to why she dragged him away at the end of the game. Doing so doesn't take away any of Lisa's responsibility or make her a blameless victim. She could have chosen other options, but she chose the easy way out.
Ok, that's better.
Don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean to be rude, but how is that better? I thought it was pretty obvious that I wasn't saying Kaufmann was solely to blame. Sure, I didn't explicitly state that she was or wasn't responsible for her own actions, but I didn't think that was really necessary considering we just got confirmation she overdosed herself, without Kaufmann actually being there to force her to take the drugs or injecting/whatevering them into her himself.
WelcomeToNowhere wrote:
Also, whoever keeps saying suicide is the easy way out? Trust me implicitly when I say, from personal experience, that it is never easy. Not for you, and not for anyone else.
Because killing oneself is far easier than facing the pain of life and actively doing what needs to be done to change and make life worth living. Sure, neither are without pain and suffering, but taking an overdose would still be a lot easier than going to rehab and changing her life. It is the easy way out because they don't have to go through all that. As for it being hard one others; some suicidal people think their loved ones will be better off without them, or they don't think of the pain their death would cause others at all. Either way, they're not around to experience it, so for them it
is the easy way out. Hell, for many it seems to be the only way out.