pyramid head or boogeyman? should he have been there?

Post by **shadowvalentine** » 04 Oct 2009

i personally think that pyramid head, or boogey man as they call him in this game, should have been kept to silent hill 2. any opinions?

Post by **Falconv1.0** » 04 Oct 2009

I think his presence made sense but was used awfully. Two scenes, three if you count the 'nightmare', only one of which he does anything of importance. It really felt more like SH2 fanservice than anything else.

Post by **HeathersVincentFangirlBFF** » 04 Oct 2009

Yeah,I looooooooooooove Pyramid Head, but I think it was just wrong for him to be thrown in there because they ran out of ideas to make the game popular.Along with the nurses.

Post by **shadowvalentine** » 04 Oct 2009

yea. i think the american developers totally missed the purpose behind pyramid head in silent hill 2 and thought they should just throw him in because he was so popular. DH treated him as if he was just some super scary monster there to make everyone shit themselves. instead an important part of the plot like he was in SH2

Post by **Nillin** » 04 Oct 2009

Yeah, those damn American developers.

Post by **KageReneko** » 04 Oct 2009

They're the same shit!!

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 04 Oct 2009

I love how you guys instantly focus on the American Developers as being at fault, even though Double Helix doesn't have nearly as much creative control as you seem to think they have.

Post by **Calamity** » 04 Oct 2009

Falconv1.0 wrote:I think his presence made sense but was used awfully. Two scenes, three if you count the 'nightmare', only one of which he does anything of importance. It really felt more like SH2 fanservice than anything else.

Agreed completely. It definitely made sense but excluding

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the scene with Adam

it felt like complete fanservice.

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Especially the Boogeyman ending. I was really kind of grumpy with it because it screamed fanservice way too much, and I'm not a diehard PH fan so it just annoyed me.

Post by **The Adversary** » 04 Oct 2009

>Double Helix doesn't have nearly as much creative control as you seem to think
So, tell me: Exactly how much control do the producers, writers and developers have. . . ?

Post by **Drainage64** » 04 Oct 2009

MMY wrote:>Double Helix doesn't have nearly as much creative control as you seem to think
So, tell me: Exactly how much control do the producers, writers and developers have. . . ?

That depends on how long a leash their masters (Konami) gave them.

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 05 Oct 2009

MMY wrote:>Double Helix doesn't have nearly as much creative control as you seem to think
So, tell me: Exactly how much control do the producers, writers and developers have. . . ?

You make it seem like marketability, executives, past precedent, etc., are completely null in the creative process. I wouldn't be surprised if Double Helix was straddled with the responsibility of making good on Konami's promises/hints/considerations of bringing the movie into canon.

Post by **Falconv1.0** » 05 Oct 2009

Problem with Pyramid head was that in SH2 while he was a punisher, he also helped guide James along his path so he'd come to terms with what he did. When James finally understood this he said "I don't need you anymore and the two Pyramid Heads committed self pwnage. In Homecoming, he walks by, waves at the camera, then owns the crap out of your dad. Yeah, I don't think I'm wrong when I say it could've been done better.

Little note though, some things I can see as influence from Western design, but don't just take every little thing and say "FUCK THOSE AMERICAN DEVELOPERS". I've said that like, once, and with good reason. In this case, it's not just because of a differing style, it's just that the people writing the game just didn't know how to effectively use him.

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 05 Oct 2009

In all fairness, the Bogeyman wasn't conjured by Alex, and has no relevance to his personal journey, so in that sense his lack of involvement makes sense, but then why bother putting him in?

Post by **Nillin** » 05 Oct 2009

Fan service. I think they justified his appearance in the game, but that's really what it comes down to.

Post by **Agent of God** » 05 Oct 2009

Fan service is supposed to be a good thing but they even did that wrong.

Post by **pisces9397** » 05 Oct 2009

HeathersVincentFangirlBFF wrote:Yeah,I looooooooooooove Pyramid Head, but I think it was just wrong for him to be thrown in there because they ran out of ideas to make the game popular.Along with the nurses.

Agreed

Post by **Skele** » 05 Oct 2009

he could've been incorporated a bit better.

Post by **Si/ens.Cae/um** » 05 Oct 2009

He had no place in the game. Fan service isn't so bad when it's done right. Like someone mentioned before, it is as if he was just thrown in the game to wave at the camera, much like his appearance in the film. How about instead of re-using Pyramid Head, they come up with something new and innovative? Oh, wait we've got American developers now, they don't understand the concept of "innovative"

Post by **Bishop Sasarai** » 05 Oct 2009

I'd edit my post if I were you, Si/ens.Cae/um, before the "You're racist if you don't like American games" brigade comes by (by the way, everyone - according to those guys, I'm a racist).

Unless you were being sarcastic.

Post by **Falconv1.0** » 05 Oct 2009

Si/ens.Cae/um wrote:Oh, wait we've got American developers now, they don't understand the concept of "innovative"

The fuck did I just say about that in my point about why he sucked.

But no, keep on trolling, let's talk about how American devs are shit while we clamor over how innovative the camera and terrible design in some parts of the past games were 'innovative'.

Everyone fucks up, SH4 taught me that REALLY WELL, stop trolling about how America sucks ass.