I tried to follow this argument, but about halfway through, I got lost and realized I didn't have enough breadcrumbs to get home. So, what's the issue here? mikefile doesn't believe that Otherworld is communal? um, okay, then explain Wheeler killing Schisms and Needlers and being kidnapped and buttraped by Asphyxia. Explain any of the town fathers being killed by the bosses. Explain Elle cowering in fear every time you encounter a Needler or a Lurker down in the sewers. Explain Pyramid Head killing Adam. Please.
His argument is basically that Wheeler and Elle are also insane and delusional, and the game just never tells us or hints this.
Communal in what measures? Communal in the way all Shepherd's Glenn being invaded or communal just the three characters + the parents.. I'm gonna try to answer your questions with everything being written down.....ok?
The generally accepted consensus is that every character in Homecoming is experiencing the same type of Otherworld, since Judge Holloway was able to get everyone to follow her cult and convert to try and get God's mercy and escape this hell they were put in. This doesn't work if only Alex, the parents, Wheeler, and Elle are the only ones seeing weird shit.
Partially agreed.. they wouldn't cover it because it would unecessary.. a wacko going around town slashing people.. there's no use for it. But if they could and did it, it wouldn't be to protect Travis. There is no reason to protect Travis.. he is theirs opponent.
Right, so why cover it up? It doesn't benefit them at all.
I don't need proof for a direct observation the game makes. You might as well be asking proof for the statement, "There is a difference between James thinking Mary is still alive and James yelling at Eddie for eating pizza."
You're just being contrarian, and have literally nothing to back your side or your arguments. They're not even coherent.
Let's analyze this ALL:
Alex, Elle, Wheeler.. I already said what I think about them.. + the parents (and they see their' own hell.. their children, which is logic.. 'cause they're responsible).. And the Order doesn't see monsters anywhere.. just that cutscene before the Hell-house.. and that's not comparable. Just.. to straighten things out.. except for these characters.. have U got anyone else in mind? Because from what I understood.. you are implying that all of the inhabitants of Sheppherd's Glenn see them? I understand that metaforically the whole town had been envaded by the Otherworld like when God threw a curse because of Cain killing Abel.. but not literally..
Everyone in town sees that the roads are broken, that the clocks are stuck, that the town is nearly empty, that people are going missing....why in the fuck wouldn't they see the monsters? They literally experience every single other supernatural phenomena Alex is experiencing. Every single goddamn fucking one. As you point out in your thread, other characters even experience Otherworld shifts. Why wouldn't they see monsters as well?
And, again, it's hard to convince people they're in hell and make them do what you say with just fog and broken clocks. If they're not experiencing monsters, Judge Holloway's charisma is absolutely hollow.
Yes we do have the dramatic irony.. but still, that doesn't prove the fact that we have the inevitable experience like the character.. and the games are shaped in accordance to our actions.. And about the outside point of view, there is no other proof that may suggest otherwise.. if yes, please, enlight me.
I've already given you direct proof. Just because you don't accept it doesn't mean it isn't evidence; the games show us things the protagonists don't know, this isn't new. This isn't revolutionary. This isn't a big secret. As players, we know things Alex does not and can see outside of his point of view.
Feral- Alex's dog, his father killed it it and skinned it.
Nurse- represents Alex's institutionalization in the hospital and his suppressed libido
Lurker- represents the restraint Alex felt throughout his life and the lack of love from his family
Smog- symbol of the smothering guilt that Alex suffers being on crooked feet as well as being curled up while staggering
Being symbolized from Alex's psyche is not the same to being bound only to his inner world and experiences. Even you admit that Wheeler and Elle can see the monsters. This is a situation like in SH1, SH3, and SH4 where multiple characters are experiencing the same Otherworld. Why are you so adamantly unable to accept this? You haven't even provided an alternate hypothesis to explain anything.
I thought he meant the special powers of her vagina.