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Historical Society Historian
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There seems to be something that haven't been discussed, or, rather, it haven't been discussed since before I became a member here, which is about, I don't know, dawn of time, nay... doesn't matter.

I'm thinking about the two eggs we use after the two Pyramid Heads debriefed themself to the town. Why are these eggs there and what do they represent...

DISCUSS DAMMIT! :D

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Ovaries, diease, sickness, tumors, jewels. I would off be more interesting to pull them of their bodies lying on the floor during butchering.

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For most cases of symbolism, I like to refer to good ol' http://www.dream-dictionary.org/
It usually doesn't steer you in the wrong direction.

Egg - Eggs are global symbols of fertility, new birth, regeneration, and wholeness. A dream of a broken egg or eggs can represent a broken or ruined stage in your life. It can also symbolize a breaking out of habitual habits or long standing traditions.

Hmm... breaking the habits. Ending his repression. Sounds about right to me.

As for the meaning of the colors of the eggs... that's still debatable.

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But he didn't break them. Oh God I can't believe I just said that.

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Not colors... Scarlet egg and Rust covered egg.

As for the dreamtranslation. I'm agreeing with many things Freud talked about, but there are some left to discuss.

For me, the different meanings of things in dreams is often more personal than what a dictionary can tell. What egg represnt to you may not represent the same to me. In our dreams, that becomes even more deep.

My theory on dreams is that they are emotional memories of existing things.
It's concrete, existing things that is surrounded by some emotion, creating an abstract imgae through the emotion surrounding the thing.
I don't know, maybe it sounds Freudian, but it's my own conlusions.

Now, even if we took the dictionary answer into this matter, it wouldn't explain them because he doesn't break the eggs.
Some subconscious place in me tells me that there is a connection between the rusty egg and the otherworlds rusty appearence.

Any thoughts?

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Rust represents turmoil and decay, scarlet usually represents lust.

So perhaps the rusty egg represents PH, and the scarlet egg represents Maria.

Both of them are aspects of his own subconscious.

After defeating the PH's and getting the eggs, you go through a door with a face on it.

The face on the door could be James, and the fact that you used the eggs to open a door, means that both of the eggs (PH and Maria) are both in James' troubled head (the face door).

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Like the scarlet letter.

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Also, eggs represent life. If they represent PH and Maria, It could mean that they were both born or spawned from James.

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I read that they represent the people who James[spoiler] killed. The rusty one is for Mary and the "clean" looking egg is for Eddie, since he was killed more recently.[/spoiler]

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More like new & old: Mary & Maria.

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I was close. I knew it had to do something with dead people :lol:

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Not to be nitpicky but it was discussed before, in the middle of an irrelevant thread no less, but; yeah. Just so you know.

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More like new & old: Mary & Maria.


So the colours of the eggs aren't symbolizing dried blood/fresh blood, but (quite simply) age? Makes sense.

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Then does putting the eggs in the doors have any signifacance in that they are the keys that open the doors to Mary/Maria at the end?

Just curious.

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So in a sense the final boss is a hybrid of Mary and Maria. So is there any symbolism in Born from a Wish, Dr. Bio?

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I always assumed the rusty meant mary's death, the scarlet egg the death of eddie.

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^^ I know that's what I read. Why would there be an egg representing Maria? She wasn't a real person. There would be four eggs for each time Maria "died".

If the PH represents James, then James killed two people. Mary and Eddie.

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Mary/Maria hybrid might make sense if the eggs represent something other than death (or guilt). But considering their source....

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This is getting interesting but at the same time a little bit confused...

My thoughts: PH ISN´T necessarly James. I know, it´s true that he does some stuff related to James personality, but he´s really purpose in thegame, is to punish James for what he did. Reminding him, assuming him, to remind him. And yes, there are two PH, both of them represent James´s kills. But I think the eggs are a whole different thing from the PHs (they just carry the eggs, they didn´t put those eggs like a chicken :shock: )

The eggs represent Mary/Maria (like it was said before). A symbolism of things to come. Maria "transforming" herself into Mary to achieve James goals.

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>if the eggs represent something other than death
Why would eggs represent death?

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Glazarus wrote:
Scarlet egg and Rust covered egg


I think it could be meaning the life BEFORE(Scarlet) Mary's illness and AFTER(Rust) Mary's death.


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Could be Maria. The scarlet egg represents the beautiful Maria, pretty, flirty and all dressed up like straight from James' dreams.
And the rusty one represents the Maria incoming, bloody and repulsive...

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