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Just Passing Through
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I've reviewed a whole bunch of posts made on these forums that refer to the "Trunk theory" - that James killed Mary prior to driving to Silent Hill, and stashed her body in the trunk. While obvious evidence for this can be found in the sequence of events leading to the multiple endings (having Mary's body mysteriously on hand, for example), some have mentioned evidence for this in "Lost Memories". What is this evidence- is it dialogue, etc? What is said/discovered? Are there other contextual clues given that directly hint to Mary's body being in the trunk?

Just to be clear so that this is not a repeat post, I'm not debating whether the trunk theory is right or wrong; I just want to know what the evidence people cite from "Lost Memories" is, and what other clues lead people to believe that Mary is in the trunk.


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I'm sure the gurus will come in here and explain to you soon. But please use either the spoiler tags or put spoiler in the title.

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Translated Memories, from Silent Hill: Chronicle--at the bottom of the page.

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Just Passing Through
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Amphreded - okie dokie. Sorry about that.

St. Thomas - I've read a bunch of your other theories, and was wondering if you noticed any minute wacky things that brought you to the trunk conclusion. You seem to pick up on lots of interesting stuff.


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thats quite interesting, i've not heared this theory before :) it'll give me something to ponder on later


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If you read the theory in other threads, then why don't you continue the conversation in those threads?

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It is discussed in this thread.

But, it's also convoluted with a ton of other crap--notable debates on whether the Japanese script is valid. Pish posh.

Being a firm believer in the Rebirth ending--take any ending you want, really--one must realize that the final conversation James has with Mary is really nothing more than a fantasy: a discussion he wished for; he didn't magically transport to Mary's moribund to then revert to present-time so that he could carry Mary's body to the car so that he could either drive himself into the lake or rebirth her.

No. He physically retrieved that body from somewhere--and not from his fantasy.

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This is quite interesting imo. Now, the idea that Mary is in the trunk of James' car isn't laid in stone. It's true that the idea is suggested in Silent Hill Chronicle, but it's still only a suggestion.

What I did wonder is, if it were true that Mary was in the trunk, when exactly James did bury his memory within his subconscious. The act of putting a corpse in the trunk would suggest that he still knew what he had done and was doing.


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This is quite interesting imo. Now, the idea that Mary is in the trunk of James' car isn't laid in stone. It's true that the idea is suggested in Silent Hill Chronicle, but it's still only a suggestion.

What I did wonder is, if it were true that Mary was in the trunk, when exactly James did bury his memory within his subconscious. The act of putting a corpse in the trunk would suggest that he still knew what he had done and was doing.


I prefer to think that he was in a state of delusion, between decisions when he did it...he recovered from the delusion in confusion and assembled his new reality...


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Cafe5to2 Waitress
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Not if he killed her, put her in the trunk, and forgot about it on the drive to Silent Hill. He'd have plenty of time to start formulating his "denial" and change his story within himself, I guess. And if you don't believe that, who knows how long he was looking at himself in that mirror.

Besides, the way he killed her to me, suggests that it was quick, it was not thought out, it was just a sudden impulse, and that taking her body to the trunk of his car, he may not have even really been "there", it may have been mechanical..."Mary die...Silent Hill, end it all"

After that wore off, maybe James started to lose it, during the drive there, started to wonder "Why am I driving to Silent Hill?"

Yeah, speculation, but that's, briefly, how I thought it happened.

Edit: Also what Frozen said.

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An intresting note that leaves credence to the trunk theory is that Mary's body in the Rebirth ending looks suprisingly fresh. I'd say that she hasn't been dead for that long, even go as bold as to say "less than a week".


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An intresting note that leaves credence to the trunk theory is that Mary's body in the Rebirth ending looks suprisingly fresh. I'd say that she hasn't been dead for that long, even go as bold as to say "less than a week".



St. Thomas said she was killed the day before the events of Silent Hill 2. May 13th 1994I believe is the date.

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>May 13th 1994I believe is the date.
Yep.

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That's really interesting. I'd never thought of the details surrounding the Rebirth ending. The theory makes a lot of sense. Rats off to whoever came up with it first, be it on this forum or somewhere else.


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>Rats off to whoever came up with it first, be it on this forum or somewhere else.
Thank you.

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Um, could I ask where this Lost memories book comes from? Who made it? I mean, was it Konami, Team Silent, or what? Im just curious about the credibility of its souce. It states in Translated Memories that James went to Silent Hill to take his own life. If Konami or Team Silent wrote this, then they are basically saying the Water ending is correct, no?


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>then they are basically saying the Water ending is correct, no?
No, they're not. That statement is only applicable to that ending, and there numerous discussions about why the Water ending is replete with errors.

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Hmm, I have come to the conclusion that the trunk theory is incorrect based on the above statements. For instance, since the Water ending is not the real ending(as I don't believe it is myself), but it is stated that that's why James went to Silent Hill(as stated in the Chronicles), then the statement about Mary possibly being in the trunk is also likely to be incorrect(since these statements would both apply to an incorrect ending, since each statement in the Chronicles is listed only because it happens to relate to that particular ending(water ending)). I have read all the evidence you presented on this theory(trunk theory), and the only last piece that I was still hung on was this statement in the chronicles about Mary p ossibly being in the trunk. If this is the only place where it states Mary could be in the trunk(regardless of general inference due to circumstances and likelihood), then I think I will write off the trunk theory off my list, although of course that is just my opinion. Basically, could you provide me with direct evidence(not indirect) pointing to Mary being in the trunk, other than in this Chronicle?


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James had to retrieve Mary's body from somewhere in order for him to perform the ceremony of the Resurrection of the Dead. You can see her body in the boat; it had to come from somewhere.

The car.

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