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>I read somewhere that Angela would periodically run away
Angela ran away from home after graduating high school only to have her father bring her back.

>But why would Angela come to associate James with her mother?
To Angela, Mrs. Orosco is a monster, too. By this time in the story, James has also come to be a monster, a killer. Angela sees her monster in another monster.

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>To Angela, Mrs. Orosco is a monster, too. By this time in the story, James has also come to be a monster, a killer. Angela sees her monster in another monster.

Also noted in my above post. Just presenting another idea.


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Jeez, we almost needed another game to explain Angela after this one came out. :| :P 8)


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I would very much welcome an Angela game, if done by the same people who did SH2.

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^I would no doubt have an obsession with that game that some may consider "religious".

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Sionnan's theory seems the closest to me,
ive done some thinking on this and his is what i came up with:

Possibly Angela's mother found out, and attempted to help her, after which she was beaten, which pushed Angela to kill him. Then Angela fearing her mother won't forgive her ran away. Then the manifestations and yeah so on...

Just a theory.
And yeah i would really welcome a game that resolves angela's story, i even thought up the plot.


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I'm beginning to think Angela's mother knew of the abuse or at least subconciously knew but was in denial. I always assumed Angela killed her father, her mother found out and in a fit of rage blamed Angela for the abuse. Then Angela ran away, eventually returning to be punished for her crime and make amends with her mother who was at least a part of the force calling her to Silent Hill.

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Jeez there are a lot of angela threads...

Anyway I've always assumed Angela killed her father for abuse (sexual or otherwise is up to you to decide.) As for her mother, there was too little evidence for me to uncover to form any kind of perception of her. Without the proper evidence I can't say if she was a part of the problem or the catalyst that pushed the events into motion. :?:


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I've been reading through this thread and everyone seems to think that Angela's mother was alive during the time when Angela's Father attacked/abused her, but I always thought that it was after Angela's Mother died that her Father started to abuse her due to being so angry and sad at losing his wife?
PS Hi everyone, this is my first post ^^


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Historical Society Historian
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I'm going to admit: I haven't read this thread at all.


That being said, the game's dialogue leads me to believe that Angela's father sexually abused her, and that her mother insisted that she brought it upon herself. After this happening for however long it did, Angela killed her father, though I'm unsure of if it was in self-defense at the time or if it were revenge so it would stop.

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I would suggest you read through the other threads, if you're interested. The dialogue and images are examined in detail, and new interpretations are presented which seem to have been highly convincing.

http://www.silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16951
http://www.silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18770

These two in particular.

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Hmm. I've only made it a few pages through the first thread, but even so, I'm still predisposed to think that Angela was sexually abused.

Forgive me if this was answered in the thread, but even though the game's script was originally in Japanese... why was all the motion capture and such done in English? It makes it feel more like the English story should be the more official one.

(And I kind of want to get into a Pyramid Head debate due to something mentioned in there as well as another topic, but this isn't the right place to do it.)

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^If you start it elsewhere, linkage please, as I am now curious what debate it is that you wish to start.

As for the Angela thread, I have recently picked up reading it again to see if any resolve was ever reached (hey, I can be hopeful can't I?).

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Yuki wrote:
Forgive me if this was answered in the thread, but even though the game's script was originally in Japanese... why was all the motion capture and such done in English? It makes it feel more like the English story should be the more official one.

Well, Silent Hill is in America, so having the cast speak in English would go a long way in making the setting seem natural. The same idea was used in Resident Evil's casting, too. After all, we've seen more than a few films where another culture is simply represented by an accent, and it's more than a little hokey.

Even so, I'd imagine that the Japanese writers are much more adept in their native tongue (hence why they got Jeremy Blaustein to write an English translation for the voice actors instead of just doing it, themselves). I mean, I can theoretically write a story in Spanish or Latin, but it's not going to be anywhere near as nuanced as if I just wrote in English.

In any case, we also have to remember that the Japanese script isn't an earlier draft. It makes up the subtitles for the Japanese audience, who may not have a good enough command of English to understand a relatively complex script filled with doublespeak.

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I have recently picked up reading it again to see if any resolve was ever reached (hey, I can be hopeful can't I?).

I reread it, myself, last night. By the second half of the second topic, people on the "obviously sexual abuse" side start changing their opinion. That's about as close to a resolution as an internet thread gets.

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Kenji wrote:
I reread it, myself, last night. By the second half of the second topic, people on the "obviously sexual abuse" side start changing their opinion. That's about as close to a resolution as an internet thread gets.

Really? Wow, the non-sexually-abused side must be really good at arguing, because to me the sexual abuse is too obvious; too much of a theme in that room for it to all be James'. You could argue it IS just what James' sees and what Angela see's and says is mis-translated or not there but I think it's stretching it a bit much.


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Really? Wow, the non-sexually-abused side must be really good at arguing, because to me the sexual abuse is too obvious; too much of a theme in that room for it to all be James'. You could argue it IS just what James' sees and what Angela see's and says is mis-translated or not there but I think it's stretching it a bit much.

Well, it's a little unfair to call it the "non-sexually-abused" side. A more accurate term would be the "not-necessarily-sexually-abused" side. The difference is slight but important, since their (or, our, since I participated in the first thread) argument is that the facts only indicate physical abuse and that sexual abuse is a subjective assumption.

Personally, I think things get their most interesting when JuriDawn and alone weigh in (not that others' contributions weren't important: Burning Man and MMY always provide a solid foundation of fact). That's where we get the convincing alternative explanation of the tablets and the Christ iconography. I know that sounds weird, but the threads put it into context.

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Kenji wrote:
Well, it's a little unfair to call it the "non-sexually-abused" side. A more accurate term would be the "not-necessarily-sexually-abused" side. The difference is slight but important, since their (or, our, since I participated in the first thread) argument is that the facts only indicate physical abuse and that sexual abuse is a subjective assumption.

Personally, I think things get their most interesting when JuriDawn and alone weigh in (not that others' contributions weren't important: Burning Man and MMY always provide a solid foundation of fact). That's where we get the convincing alternative explanation of the tablets and the Christ iconography. I know that sounds weird, but the threads put it into context.


Fair enough I guess. I'm willing to accept that she might not have been, and there have definitely been convincing arguements against it, but I still think that the area, Ideal/Abstract Daddy and the dialogue between James and Angela all have too many suggestions towards it for me to properly think otherwise at the moment.


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liquidus118 wrote:
Kenji wrote:
I reread it, myself, last night. By the second half of the second topic, people on the "obviously sexual abuse" side start changing their opinion. That's about as close to a resolution as an internet thread gets.

Really? Wow, the non-sexually-abused side must be really good at arguing, because to me the sexual abuse is too obvious; too much of a theme in that room for it to all be James'. You could argue it IS just what James' sees and what Angela see's and says is mis-translated or not there but I think it's stretching it a bit much.


yeah, that's right.
I understand where their thoughts are coming from, but the game just thows so much that makes you think otherwise..i ramain with initial idea.


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Except the game doesn't "thow [sic] so much that makes you think otherwise" when the game and script confounds the idea she was sexually abused. The closer people started looking, the fewer people believed she was sexually abused.

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Except the game doesn't "thow [sic] so much that makes you think otherwise" when the game and script confounds the idea she was sexually abused. The closer people started looking, the fewer people believed she was sexually abused.


It's true that as people started to look at each thing indiviudally alternate theories and explanations began to pop up, but I think it was more over-analysis than finding the truth. But I guess the best answer I can think of is that it was made slightly ambiguous to allow for the differing interpretations we've arrived at.


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