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For all we know, James and Laura could've changed their identities. James can't risk being arrested for murder, y'know.


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All four endings are plausible, even despite SH4 canon. This has been repeatedly stated. It is the player's actions that determine what happened. Konami has, rightly, absolutely refused to supply a "canon" ending.


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I absolutely agree, all endings in Silent Hill 2 are plausible. I always liked the fact that you could experience the game in many different ways.
Finally some freedom against canonical followers. :wink:

Although, considering whole story, In Water ending is my favorite.

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I like the Leave ending as the real ending. And just because Frank said his son went missing doesn't mean the In Water ending is real, though that could rule out the Leave ending. Maybe this answer isn't going to be easy to figure out.

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Unless someone pisses me off I'm not going to explain...I felt In Water was truest to James and what he had done. It just makes perfect sense to me, and for a tragic hero I felt he finally put himself at rest. In a sense, he forgave himself but nonetheless couldn't live without Mary.

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I disagree. I would think that if James forgave himself, he would want to live, and honor Mary's memory. "In Water" suggests to me that James cannot forgive himself for his actions, just like Angela cannot forgive herself for hers. At best, it's his tragic flaw destroying him, like Javert in "Les Miserables". At worst, it's a depressing expression of nihilism.


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Huh? I don't get that. In no series of events did James die three years ago.

At the beginning of the game, James thinks that Mary fell ill three years ago and died quickly. He is unaware of her hospitalization, or her friendship with Laura. Now, three years after her death, she has written him a letter, summoning him to "our special place".

In reality, James watched Mary suffer for three years. He met Laura, but they were never close; Laura disliked him. Finally, James snapped and killed Mary, then almost certainly headed toward Silent Hill to kill himself there, but lost his mind along the way. In the course of the game, he recovers his sanity and realizes the truth.

If he gets the "In Water" ending, he carries out his original plan. If he gets other endings, he deviates from it.


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I think "Rebirth" makes the most sense.

After all, the game should have some purpose in the whole Silent Hill plot, if you know what I mean. I don't think the developers would be happy with a game that merely explains some of the background story of the town and gives some insight on how people's feelings and memories make the town do the things it does.

All Silent Hill games had some important events that led to other events in future Silent Hill games. They all end up involving someone trying to make God born by some method. All but Silent Hill 2. There's no such thing in this game if we pick any of the standard endings (Leave, In Water or Maria), because I hardly see how James killing himself or leaving the town with a little girl or an imaginary woman that only can be seen by him could make any impact in future games.

If you still don't know what I'm getting at, please bear with me. I'll make a little recap of the "strong impacts" all Silent Hill games have made. I might be wrong on some things or even leave out important stuff, but I'll make my attempt. So please don't be too harsh. I'll appreciate corrections if they're, obviously, right.

Silent Hill 1 had the death of Dahlia and Alessa, who is reincarnated in Heather, and also has a failed attempt to make God born. We also learn about the Mark of Samael/Seal of Metatron that Alessa was trying to use to prevent the birth of God. Dahlia was just telling shit to Harry ¡n order to use him against what Alessa was trying to achieve.

Silent Hill Origins mostly explains that the town already had the powers it has before Alessa manifested her nightmare on the town, as Helen and later Travis already could travel to the otherside. This should be obvious before this game even came out, but it just reassured the idea that Alessa is not the source of any "curse", as some people believe. We also get to learn more about the Flauros and how Alessa used it to create Cheryl.

Silent Hill 3 had the events of Claudia and Vincent, where they both end up dead and God again fails to be born properly from Alessa/Heather. This leads to some other events where ultimately The Order ends up destroyed. Furthermore, Harry dies during this period, and we learn more things about the Seal of Metatron, the sects, Valtiel, etc.

Silent Hill 4 has another attempt to bring God, but by using a different method, the 21 Sacraments, which if I'm not wrong is used by a different sect with different beliefs. The last priest of The Order is one of the victims used in this ritual. Also, assuming the best ending of this game is the true one, one could say two of the victims are still alive. They could still be an important piece on the whole plot of bringing God to Earth even after Walter's death.

So where does Silent Hill 2 fall? No attempt at anything? Just an "atone for your sins" galore? I belive that's wrong. If James actually tries to perform the Crimsom Ceremony, there's something going on there. He's, if I'm not wrong, summoning the Red God. And that can have an impact in the series at some point. And perhaps that point could be Homecoming, seeing as the main character shares Mary's surname (and I still don't buy that this is just a reference to Silent Hill 2, but hey, time shall tell).

I don't know if I made any sense, but there it is.


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Of course, all six of those endings were just written into the game to hide the actual, more disturbing truth. James, Angela, Eddie, Pyramid-head, and the dog are all still alive and secretly working for the CIA, carrying out discreet assassinations in third-world countries. And Laura, who's actually 45 years old, is their control.


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