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How did you find out about that...

Well, I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. But it also explains how I got access to the files with the rejected endings in them (seen here: http://www.silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14918 )

Or did you actually think I was creative enough to make those up myself?


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The first time I beat SH2, I got the In Water ending, and I was pretty pissed off, for the main reason that it seemed completely out of character for James. I mean, it's like:
[spoiler]Mary: Oh, James, s'okay you killed me and stuff, 'cause I told you to and whatever, so go forgive yourself and BE HAPPY.
James: Oh, well now that I've gone through hell and high water in Silent Hill, fighting tooth and nail against impossible demons and the most hellish nightmare EVER, and have finally gotten redemption and your forgiveness, I think I'll just go KILL MYSELF NOW.
And then for ten minutes, after listening to him go crash in the lake, you hear Mary rant on and on about how he should be happy, and live for himself, and not to be burdened with guilt, and I'm sitting here thinking, "Are you serious? Why am I listening to Mary tell James it's okay when he just killed himself? Bit superfluous, isn't it?"[/spoiler]
Never mind that it would have been an awful lot of unnecessary work to get back to his car and all, but again In Water just seems to go against everything you've been led up to at that point. I could see Rebirth being the real ending, easy, but In Water?
Personally, I think In Water is punishment from Konami for playing badly. :roll:

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Because "In Water" has James CHOOSE death. By his own actions. Getting killed by the monsters is distinctive in meaning from James' own wilful suicide.

It also turns the video game convention of the hero riding off happily into the sunset on its head.

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I find it curious that you guys don't seem to take under account the hints that are given to us during the lenght of the entire game from the very beginning that point out which one of the endings is the real one, yeah sure, the ending you get in your first run is supposed to be the correct ending for you, BUT, during the opening of the game at around 1:30 we see James carrying in his arms someone that seems to be Mary as he makes his way through one of the cell blocks in the prison, hinting that it could possibly be linked to the "In Water" ending.

And speaking of the prison, just before you make your way out of it you go through a graveyard with different tombstones lined up in different rows, (when I read Walter Sullivan's grave, I almost shat bricks :shock:) in the far left corner there are three of them with an opening in the ground for each one of them, one reads [spoiler]Angela Orosco, the other one reads Eddie Dombrowski, and finally, the other one reads James Sunderland, and so, it is well known by those that have finished the game that both Eddie and Angela eventually die, and so does James in the "In Water" ending, those three graves are a hint of what's comming to all three characters, which makes me believe that Eddie as well as Angela HAD to jump into their own graves eventually in that cementery at some point of the game, just like James did.[/spoiler]

Sorry if this sounds a bit complicated, but this is my theory about the matter that makes me believe that "In Water" is the real ending.


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James and Angela both escape the abyss, so the graves don't mean what they traditionally mean. After all, Angela and Eddie's are filled in, while both characters are still alive. A grave is normally only filled in after a body is lowered into it.

If I were interpreting the meaning, I'd say that the filled-in status of Eddie and Angela's grave meant that the characters were alive, but that their doom was sealed. James's still-unfilled grave meant that his future was still undetermined.


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