Canon or no?

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it's canon cuz travis comes back in origins
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DarkeningNightmare wrote:it's canon cuz travis comes back in origins
What are you talking about? Travis doesn't come back in Origins, he IS Origins.
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Drewfus wrote:
DarkeningNightmare wrote:it's canon cuz travis comes back in origins
What are you talking about? Travis doesn't come back in Origins, he IS Origins.
sorry i ment homecoming.... duh. see what sleep depravation does
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Drewfus wrote:
DarkeningNightmare wrote:it's canon cuz travis comes back in origins
What are you talking about? Travis doesn't come back in Origins, he IS Origins.
Think he meant Homecoming. Of course it could be argued as to weather or not that's canon too, but whatever.
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That's a slippery slope argument. Team Silent may not have made Origins or Homecoming, but as has been stated before, Team Silent itself changed over the course of 1-4. You could deny the canon of any of the games on this ground.

Konami has the final say as to what is and isn't canon. They can retcon and alter things at their leisure as the series evolves. I hate Origins more than you can imagine, but I find it difficult to deny it based solely on that fact. Fortunately, in the long run, I find the events of Origins ultimately of little impact and importance, so I can for the most part ignore it while considering it canon.
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Ehh, the idea of canon is silly anyway.
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Not when you have multiple stories that you are trying to fit together into a coherent whole. SH: Origins fits into canon; it features how little Alessa got "split" and how Cheryl came to be. The SH movie (despite having great visual FX and being fairly true to the "three-level" nature of the town) does not, since it radically alters Dahlia's character and position in the cult, provides an alternate origin for Cheryl/Sharon, and turns Alessa from innocent victim to mass-murdering monster). Origins might have different rules, like fragile weapons and unrestricted transit between realities via the mirrors, but it fits with the overall storyline.
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Oddish wrote:Not when you have multiple stories that you are trying to fit together into a coherent whole. SH: Origins fits into canon; it features how little Alessa got "split" and how Cheryl came to be. The SH movie (despite having great visual FX and being fairly true to the "three-level" nature of the town) does not, since it radically alters Dahlia's character and position in the cult, provides an alternate origin for Cheryl/Sharon, and turns Alessa from innocent victim to mass-murdering monster). Origins might have different rules, like fragile weapons and unrestricted transit between realities via the mirrors, but it fits with the overall storyline.
thank you. it especially fits at the end when
PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER_SHOW PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER:
you hear harry and his wife name the baby cheryl
so why wouldn't it be. it obviosly ties into sh1 seamlessly
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Post by Fredrick2003 »

Well... Heres what I think...

If something is part of a series, and it is in the same format as the rest of the things in that series (so this would be Silent Hill Origins, Silent Hill, Silent Hill 2, Silent Hill 3, Silent Hill 4: The Room, and Silent Hill: Homecoming, the VIDEO GAMES) then it is canon. I honestly never thought I would see myself typing out that word...

The Silent Hill movie can be canon in the "movie universe" however.

But anyway... At least Origins didn't turn out to be something like Resident Evil Gaiden...
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What about the Arcade and Silent Hill: Orphan? Are those canon, according to your rules? What if a video game was made that totally contradicted the others, like deciding, "Unfortunately, Alessa and Harry never survived the events of SH1."
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Hey... I liked tjhat game!! It feels moe ResidentEvilish than RE4 and barry Burton is the starring there!!! You can get without ammo there like the original Resident Evils!!

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Considering it's a FULL-FLEDGED GAME, I think it hould be considered canon.
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AuraTwilight wrote:What about the Arcade and Silent Hill: Orphan? Are those canon, according to your rules? What if a video game was made that totally contradicted the others, like deciding, "Unfortunately, Alessa and Harry never survived the events of SH1."
Well, considering Silent Hill: Origins is an actual part of the series, I would think it's canon. It's not jut some spinoff like Orphan and Arcade.

EDIT:And I just realized that this is a double post.
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I have never played the arcade game for myself sadly but I have watched ALMOST the entire game from beginning to end on the internet and I really didn't see anything that contradicted the story (the game was just stupid).

I did forget about Orphan when I typed out that post... I guess you got me.
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I have never played the arcade game for myself sadly but I have watched ALMOST the entire game from beginning to end on the internet and I really didn't see anything that contradicted the story (the game was just stupid).
Really? Not the monsters or ANYTHING?
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Origins is Canon, enough said. I just played through it again recently for the 50th time. And I can tell you that it's canon.. all the references are there. And especially with the good ending you hear the voices of Harry and his wife naming the child Cheryl. Plus through out the game you have Lisa and kauffman in there.. and there are even references to the drugs that were being passed around in the town. Sure it was mostly about travis.. but just because the story is alot about the main character, does that make it any less canon? I mean look at silent hill 2.. I mean that really didn't say much about Alessa or anything. Does that make Silent Hill 2 any less canon than the rest of the series?
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Again, bad logic to determine if something is canon.
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That seems like ok logic to me.
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There's references in non-canon works, too. You need more than references to judge one way or the other. Otherwise we have to count the shit-awful comic books.
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well..... i think it exactly explains the ritual of Alessa......... and how the baby Cheryl turns out....... but it didnt say if it was Lisa who stole the baby for Harry to find
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