Kaufmann and Lisa doing: Drugs or Sex?
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I'd be pretty embarrassed if I was caught having sex with my boss (who is at least twice my age) by a man I'd flirted with a couple hours before.
I think Lisa and Kaufmann were doing drugs and having sex. I do think the relationship was consensual though. I always got the impression Lisa stayed with Kaufmann until he killed her, but I could be wrong.
I think Lisa and Kaufmann were doing drugs and having sex. I do think the relationship was consensual though. I always got the impression Lisa stayed with Kaufmann until he killed her, but I could be wrong.
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Yeah, yeah. See what happened was that Kaufmann "asked" Lisa to have sex with him. Lisa called him names like "pervert" and "old man," and then she made fun of his manhood.iChromatic wrote:I wonder what really happened to Lisa did Kaufman kill her? Cause in the end of SH1 she kills him.
You can imagine why Kaufmann suddenly became angry. He's like a famous physician in Silent Hill: rich and everything, and he couldn't take the humiliation. Nobody messes with the K-man.
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I could see Kaufman killing Lisa, but in the grand sceme of things it doesn't really matter.Burning Man wrote:Yeah, yeah. See what happened was that Kaufmann "asked" Lisa to have sex with him. Lisa called him names like "pervert" and "old man," and then she made fun of his manhood.iChromatic wrote:I wonder what really happened to Lisa did Kaufman kill her? Cause in the end of SH1 she kills him.
You can imagine why Kaufmann suddenly became angry. He's like a famous physician in Silent Hill: rich and everything, and he couldn't take the humiliation. Nobody messes with the K-man.
>When Travis disturbs them, Lisa seems ashamed. She can't even look into Travis' eyes.
She looks a little stunned and/or angry... Travis was shocked he was like "Lisa! How could you do that with me!?" and she was like "ughhh not you again Travis..."
Yes, she could be in drugs and all but that was before her "supossed" sex scene with Kaufmann, no? In the sanitarium where you fight the Twisted version of Travis' Mom she's really strange... But by the theatre she's fine... Was she drugged or she was fine by then? WTF?
Plus when I posted here I've only finished the game once, but currently i'm with the 3 endings of the game and frankly... I dunno why or how you guys think that they were having sex... I tought that too at first but when I was playing for my 3rd time (was trying to do the Butcher ending) I turned the volume to at least 30 to hear the "grunts" but I didn't heard nothin'... What I heard was Travis grunts when he was standing up...Am I a little deaf or what?
She looks a little stunned and/or angry... Travis was shocked he was like "Lisa! How could you do that with me!?" and she was like "ughhh not you again Travis..."
Yes, she could be in drugs and all but that was before her "supossed" sex scene with Kaufmann, no? In the sanitarium where you fight the Twisted version of Travis' Mom she's really strange... But by the theatre she's fine... Was she drugged or she was fine by then? WTF?
Plus when I posted here I've only finished the game once, but currently i'm with the 3 endings of the game and frankly... I dunno why or how you guys think that they were having sex... I tought that too at first but when I was playing for my 3rd time (was trying to do the Butcher ending) I turned the volume to at least 30 to hear the "grunts" but I didn't heard nothin'... What I heard was Travis grunts when he was standing up...Am I a little deaf or what?
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The way Lisa died is never explained and is left to the player's interpretation. I think it would make sense though if Kauffman killed her, since she is not a member of the Order, is only involved because she is addicted to Kauffman's drugs, and knows something is wrong with Alessa. She's seen too much. After taking care of Alessa, it would make sense to get rid of the witness.
As for the original topic, I think they're doing both. You can hear Kauffman grunting before you jump down the hole.
As for the original topic, I think they're doing both. You can hear Kauffman grunting before you jump down the hole.
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Still, the rest of Number 7's points are fairly valid. Kauffman killing Lisa makes a hell of a lot of sense, we're not presented evidence for many other scenarios (if any), and nothing contradicts the killer Kauffman theory. Ultimately, this is a "Was Angela raped?" type of argument.
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The rest is entirely speculative, and w/out evidence there is no basis for the claims.
Besides: Lisa is alive in the game. We watch her die. And M.K. was nowhere nearby.
Besides: Lisa is alive in the game. We watch her die. And M.K. was nowhere nearby.
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We watch her die? She walks towards you with blood seeping out of her every orifice and cries, but she is still moving and is even seen later in the game in the last cutscene. Or are you talking about when she drags Kauffman into a hole? If I'm not mistaken, didn't she crawl out of said hole in the first place? Since she disappears from the room in which she starts crying blood, she is most likely spectral in some way and wouldn't die by falling into the hole.
As for the parasite theory, we never see Lisa specifically infected by a parasite. She just starts bleeding. She says something like, "I'm not the only person still walking around out there. I'm the same as them, I've just never noticed it before." Also, notice that the nurses in Silent Hill 2, who are clearly not human, also have these parasites. While Cybil is infected by a parasite, I still don't necessarily think that the nurses and doctors in Alchmelia are people that have been taken over by parasites. I don't really have an alternate explanation other than they are monsters just like the mumblers and the others created by Alessa that just look like that. I just take what I see and reshape my theory based on that.
Also, seven years have passed since Silent Hill Origins in SH, but I think I've heard that Lisa is about the same age as she was in that game, so I think she was killed and her spirit was held in Otherworld to be tortured, as she is still being tormented in Silent Hill 3.
As for the parasite theory, we never see Lisa specifically infected by a parasite. She just starts bleeding. She says something like, "I'm not the only person still walking around out there. I'm the same as them, I've just never noticed it before." Also, notice that the nurses in Silent Hill 2, who are clearly not human, also have these parasites. While Cybil is infected by a parasite, I still don't necessarily think that the nurses and doctors in Alchmelia are people that have been taken over by parasites. I don't really have an alternate explanation other than they are monsters just like the mumblers and the others created by Alessa that just look like that. I just take what I see and reshape my theory based on that.
Also, seven years have passed since Silent Hill Origins in SH, but I think I've heard that Lisa is about the same age as she was in that game, so I think she was killed and her spirit was held in Otherworld to be tortured, as she is still being tormented in Silent Hill 3.
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