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Nightmare Man
My Bestsellers Clerk
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Post subject: Are Silent Hill monsters people? (and a complaint) |
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Missing since: 25 Aug 2003 Notes left: 343
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Have you ever noticed that ever since Silent Hill 3 (where Vincent mentioned that Heather enjoyed 'killing people and stepping on them' and she says "what? do you mean the monsters?" and Vincent replies "Do They look like monsters to you?") where you get the Possessed ending for killing to many monsters which later followed into Silent Hill origins where if you kill more than 100 monsters you get the bad ending...so are the SH Monsters really people? If they are then it's becoming a bad gameplay trait which forces you to avoid most of the monsters and kill the ones that are in your way as long you don't go overkill in order to retrieve something good at the end which before SH3's concept of "the monsters are people" you could kill almost any monster on sight in SH1 and SH2 without any worries of getting a bad ending unlike SH3 and since then.
Note: I did post this thread originally on Silent Hill general forums until I realize I posted a minor SH0 spolier which I decided to delete the thread and moving it over here
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The Adversary
RESPECT
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Missing since: 19 Jul 2003 Notes left: 19401 Last seen at: #lfk
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No, the monsters are not people. Except for the Missionary, the Scrapers and Leonard.
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. . . AND THAT'S THAT.
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Mis Krist.
Historical Society Historian
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Missing since: 27 Aug 2003 Notes left: 12943 Last seen at: The Wand'ring Wood
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Holy run on sentence, Batman!
I also don't see how that's a negative gameplay mechanic because I personally kill every damn thing I see and that's in my way, whether it looks "human" or not.
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AuraTwilight
Historical Society Historian
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Missing since: 01 Aug 2006 Notes left: 11379 Last seen at: I'm here, and waiting for you
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To be fair, this ending device only exists in SH3 and 0rigins, and even then only on your second playthrough onwards. And Mockingbird is right. SH3 is the only game that had real people as monsters.
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BlackFire2 wrote: I thought he meant the special powers of her vagina.
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SilentMadness
Brookhaven Receptionist
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Missing since: 25 Mar 2008 Notes left: 826 Last seen at: Houston, Tx
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Plus, Vincent did say he was joking. Maybe I'm naive but anybody that is willing to shut down the order should be telling the truth.
_________________ "It doesn't matter if you're smart, dumb, ugly, pretty...IT'S ALL THE SAME ONCE YOU'RE DEAD!"--Eddie Dombrowski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- words to live by
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King Crimson
Brookhaven Receptionist
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Missing since: 30 May 2007 Notes left: 959 Last seen at: a dead cloverfeild...
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Quote: Maybe I'm naive but anybody that is willing to shut down the order should be telling the truth.
SH3 spoilers
[spoiler]Vincent was stealing money from the order.[/spoiler] Hes not the most trustworthy person.
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angelofROOM302
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Missing since: 08 Apr 2008 Notes left: 3073 Last seen at: Wisconsin
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Hmm, it never occured to me that the monsters were actually people.
I didn't really listen to that guy, so I don't think they are.
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You know the possibility is there... considering these people are in a delusional state.
Will I say that they are meh... no In the end I don't think they are. But I won't say that's a define t. I think that somethings point to it especially in Origins... such as the "HELP ME" message written on the cap. But this is again debatable (aren't all things seemingly debatable in this game...)
Bottom line the monsters are monsters.
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angelofROOM302
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Missing since: 08 Apr 2008 Notes left: 3073 Last seen at: Wisconsin
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Empty_Eyes wrote: You know the possibility is there... considering these people are in a delusional state.
Will I say that they are meh... no In the end I don't think they are. But I won't say that's a define t. I think that somethings point to it especially in Origins... such as the "HELP ME" message written on the cap. But this is again debatable (aren't all things seemingly debatable in this game...)
Bottom line the monsters are monsters.
what "HELP ME" message? Where is that, I didn't see it.
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SilentMadness
Brookhaven Receptionist
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Missing since: 25 Mar 2008 Notes left: 826 Last seen at: Houston, Tx
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there's a baseball cap on the ground near the front entrence of the butcher shop second time, right along the trail of blood that you follow. It's hard to see, but when you pick it up, on the top part of the rim, it says HELP ME or something like that.
_________________ "It doesn't matter if you're smart, dumb, ugly, pretty...IT'S ALL THE SAME ONCE YOU'RE DEAD!"--Eddie Dombrowski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- words to live by
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Video Gamer
Rosewater Park Attendant
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Missing since: 12 Jan 2008 Notes left: 1323 Last seen at: Minnesota
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SilentMadness wrote: there's a baseball cap on the ground near the front entrence of the butcher shop second time, right along the trail of blood that you follow. It's hard to see, but when you pick it up, on the top part of the rim, it says HELP ME or something like that.
...I thought that was a nurse's cap...
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AuraTwilight
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Missing since: 01 Aug 2006 Notes left: 11379 Last seen at: I'm here, and waiting for you
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It is indeed a nurse's cap.
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BlackFire2 wrote: I thought he meant the special powers of her vagina.
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Harrys_Girl
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Missing since: 15 Jan 2005 Notes left: 7376 Last seen at: Couldn't tell you even if I tired
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I felt sick to my stomach when..Vincent, there we go. I almost forgot his name. My sis and I call him, Wesley from Angel. If you have seen the show, you know what I am talking about.
Anyway, I felt sick to my stomach when Vincent said that. And again while reading Translated Memories and seeing the beginning sketchs of the zombie kids in the school for SH1. They do look like people.
For awhile, I believed the monsters were people, and fet sorry for killing them, but evetnually, I think on my 3 playthrough on extra hard mode for SH3, I got over and killed them...killed them all!
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ur-vile
Hope House Careworker
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Missing since: 16 Sep 2006 Notes left: 629 Last seen at: Seattle, WA
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Yeah, I never got the impressions that the monsters were in fact people except a few rare instances. Regardless of what that creep Vincent said.
Heather was definitely the most believable antagonist you play as in the series, after running into him, doesn't she say something about that everyone in this town is crazy? lol
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NeoAquarius12
Gravedigger
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Missing since: 09 May 2008 Notes left: 507
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The town is closed. There's no people left in the town except for the obvious few you encounter. And the only other humans you see are mounted on the walls and stuffed inside cages as twisted trophies to the Otherworld.
There is no telling what the monsters really are, whether they exist at all or not making them simple figments of the imagination, or some dark real creature.
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The Adversary
RESPECT
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Missing since: 19 Jul 2003 Notes left: 19401 Last seen at: #lfk
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The town is not abandoned.
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. . . AND THAT'S THAT.
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AuraTwilight
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Missing since: 01 Aug 2006 Notes left: 11379 Last seen at: I'm here, and waiting for you
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Quote: The town is closed. There's no people left in the town except for the obvious few you encounter. And the only other humans you see are mounted on the walls and stuffed inside cages as twisted trophies to the Otherworld. Except that Silent Hill is an active, bustling tourist town the entire series through, right? And most of the humans you see in the Otherworld aren't real, they're manifestations. Quote: There is no telling what the monsters really are, whether they exist at all or not making them simple figments of the imagination, or some dark real creature.
Aside from the few exceptions in SH3, all the monsters in the series are psychic manifestations.
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BlackFire2 wrote: I thought he meant the special powers of her vagina.
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Grotesko
Cafe5to2 Waitress
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Missing since: 05 Apr 2008 Notes left: 184 Last seen at: NY
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Even though Vincent was joking, I still am questionable about it...
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NeoAquarius12
Gravedigger
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Missing since: 09 May 2008 Notes left: 507
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AuraTwilight wrote: Quote: The town is closed. There's no people left in the town except for the obvious few you encounter. And the only other humans you see are mounted on the walls and stuffed inside cages as twisted trophies to the Otherworld. Except that Silent Hill is an active, bustling tourist town the entire series through, right? And most of the humans you see in the Otherworld aren't real, they're manifestations. Quote: There is no telling what the monsters really are, whether they exist at all or not making them simple figments of the imagination, or some dark real creature. Aside from the few exceptions in SH3, all the monsters in the series are psychic manifestations.
But how do you KNOW that?
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ur-vile
Hope House Careworker
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Missing since: 16 Sep 2006 Notes left: 629 Last seen at: Seattle, WA
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Well I think it's safe to assume. I mean, we don't hear of any mass murders after the events in the games. I can't think of anything that would suggest otherwise except for what Vincent said.
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