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There's no way I'm not buying this game, but to tell the truth, the trailer was underwhelming.
For me, personally, ice is in no way as frightening as the classic Otherworld. Winter is my favorite season, and I much more prefer the cold to warmth. It's just something I'm more comfortable with. It's going to take a lot of convincing to make ice and snow scary, to me at least.
Also, eesh. That monster. Boring.
Sure, the monsters in the original game were lackluster compared to those of 2 and 3. But you know what made up for it? The constant blood, rust, and darkness of the Otherworld. The atmosphere was so oppressive in that game, I was literally relieved when it shifted back to the foggy world. No other Silent Hill game has managed to make me feel that way. And it looks like that's something they're doing away with in Memories, given the Otherworld has had a massive transformation.
Of course, Climax has nailed some classic Silent Hill moments in Origins (the first time I walked into the basement of the Sanitarium, I caught a glimpse of a Carrion shuffling down the hall with the static filter going nuts and Akira's music pounding away. A true "WTF" moment, the best kind in Silent Hill). So, I'm more then willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Can't be any worse then the monsters of Homecoming, at least.
For me, personally, ice is in no way as frightening as the classic Otherworld. Winter is my favorite season, and I much more prefer the cold to warmth. It's just something I'm more comfortable with. It's going to take a lot of convincing to make ice and snow scary, to me at least.
Also, eesh. That monster. Boring.
Sure, the monsters in the original game were lackluster compared to those of 2 and 3. But you know what made up for it? The constant blood, rust, and darkness of the Otherworld. The atmosphere was so oppressive in that game, I was literally relieved when it shifted back to the foggy world. No other Silent Hill game has managed to make me feel that way. And it looks like that's something they're doing away with in Memories, given the Otherworld has had a massive transformation.
Of course, Climax has nailed some classic Silent Hill moments in Origins (the first time I walked into the basement of the Sanitarium, I caught a glimpse of a Carrion shuffling down the hall with the static filter going nuts and Akira's music pounding away. A true "WTF" moment, the best kind in Silent Hill). So, I'm more then willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Can't be any worse then the monsters of Homecoming, at least.
I think part of my problem is I recently played through Crysis again(yes, graphical leap, it's the wii, blah blah.)
But point standing, they pulled off a creepy, frozen waste land incredibly well.
It technically even runs on the same tropes as this game is, in that you start out in an essentially normal place(a jungle island) and then face a frozen, ruined version of the same space.
(before:http://forevergeek.com/wp-content/uploa ... 50x360.jpg; and after: http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9427/frozen03ij3.jpg)
I think part of the problem of the ice theme, is because the place is dark and snowy already, the transition loses a massive amount of it's impact.
Stitched mentioned warmth. You have to imagine a spring or summer enviornment, and then suddenly having your warm color-tones blue shift, ice encroaches on everything and freezes over.
It would be much, much more immediately apparent, and would have a much higher impact than "it's snowy, and oh, now it's icy instead. hm"
But point standing, they pulled off a creepy, frozen waste land incredibly well.
It technically even runs on the same tropes as this game is, in that you start out in an essentially normal place(a jungle island) and then face a frozen, ruined version of the same space.
(before:http://forevergeek.com/wp-content/uploa ... 50x360.jpg; and after: http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9427/frozen03ij3.jpg)
I think part of the problem of the ice theme, is because the place is dark and snowy already, the transition loses a massive amount of it's impact.
Stitched mentioned warmth. You have to imagine a spring or summer enviornment, and then suddenly having your warm color-tones blue shift, ice encroaches on everything and freezes over.
It would be much, much more immediately apparent, and would have a much higher impact than "it's snowy, and oh, now it's icy instead. hm"
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Your point hasn't gone unnoticed, but I don't think it works with Silent Hill's story. Harry wouldn't have to be so terrified if he lost his daughter on a warm summer's day.Reno wrote:You have to imagine a spring or summer enviornment, and then suddenly having your warm color-tones blue shift, ice encroaches on everything and freezes over.
But I go agree with you. Whatever direction Climax may have decided on, the transition is not as dramatic as that of the original.
That, and we're comparing monsters from a game released 10 years ago on a PS1. With technological advancements, surely they can come up with something less "generic?"stitchedlamb wrote:Sure, the monsters in the original game were lackluster compared to those of 2 and 3.
Besides, that monster just looks like the Stalkers from the Silent Hill movie. If this monster started burning away or something, we might not even have noticed a difference.
I certainly got that feeling as well, but I thought it was because they wanted to go with the ice theme. The otherworlds that we were used to before were fire-based, so it makes sense for the transition to be more "flowy," but I don't think ice is meant to be like that. I mean, if you burn away a piece of paper opposed to dip a piece of lead in liquid hydrogen, I think you get the idea.Ratiocinator wrote:Yeah, again, until I see more footage it's not really fair for me to say but the only turn-off I've had so far is the Otherworld transition... so blocky, choppy and rigid.
Anyway, I thought this trailer was disappointing. Not necessarily because of its content but its direction. It's certainly missing the impact that the other games' trailers before it had. I remember being completely blown away by the trailers from SH1-4.
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where do you see the similarities? "that monster" is flesh-toned, faceless, tall and lean. the stalkers... were none of those.Burning Man wrote:Besides, that monster just looks like the Stalkers from the Silent Hill movie. If this monster started burning away or something, we might not even have noticed a difference.
again, simplicity > overkill. when you create something - particularly a silent hill monster (i'm looking at asphyxia once again) - with too much shit going on in the design, it ends up looking ridiculous.
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I do get the feeling that most of the 'horror' from that particular moster(remember, supposedly the monster designs will change based on your psyche profile) is more the movement and the potentially stalking nature of the thing, than immediate grotesqurey.
right some monsters will be scrairy than others base on the psyche profile i heard in some handson demo that a reviewer said he was being chased by blue boxed head monsters
I can't disagree with this.Burning Man wrote:Anyway, I thought this trailer was disappointing. Not necessarily because of its content but its direction. It's certainly missing the impact that the other games' trailers before it had. I remember being completely blown away by the trailers from SH1-4.
The best part about this trailer was that we got to see some of those screenshots in motion. Of course, that's the farthest from "above and beyond the call of duty" that you can get for a video.
I wasn't outright disappointed by the Otherworld transition, but considering that they're switching from snow to ice... I was kinda hoping it'd be more subtle, kinda like the Snow Queen transition (it starts at 2:20) of Persona, PSX version.
I certainly will vouch for the strength of the trailers for the older games. One of the biggest reasons why I found SH4 to be a disappointment was because its trailer was outright scary, and I was fully expecting the game to act just as unpredictably.
... in that case, maybe it's not a bad thing if Shattered Memories doesn't oversell in its trailers. Of course, that completely would defeat the purpose of trailers in general.
I wasn't impressed by the Otherworld transition or the monster designs so far, but the music and brief taste of voice acting was pretty good. Also found the graphics of Harry's facial features to be impressive.
Unfortunately, this trailer only serves to make me feel skeptical of all the claims surrounding this game's impressive graphics. They're pretty good so far, but only if you add "for a Wii game" quickly after the statement.
Hopefully they take some time to touch up on a few things before the game is set to be released. I would understand if they felt the need push back the release date even, as long as it means that we'll be receiving the features that we were promised.
Unfortunately, this trailer only serves to make me feel skeptical of all the claims surrounding this game's impressive graphics. They're pretty good so far, but only if you add "for a Wii game" quickly after the statement.
Hopefully they take some time to touch up on a few things before the game is set to be released. I would understand if they felt the need push back the release date even, as long as it means that we'll be receiving the features that we were promised.
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It's never that black and white. A good mix between the two would be even better. Silent Hill 2, 3's monsters were a good mix, neither too simple nor too complex. There's no rule saying that monsters need to be simple or they should be automatically categorized as "overkill."crucifix wrote:again, simplicity > overkill
Nope, still getting the stalker vibe from that monster. You can even compare it with the original's stalkers if you need to. I didn't get a "what the hell is this" feeling with that one, but a "I've seen you before." Of course, using existing design is obviously not new to Shattered Memories. The Closers from SH3 were the same as Mandarin from SH2.
I hope Climax has more interesting monsters.
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The monsters are promised to "evolve" as the game progresses, I assume that this "evolution" will affect their aesthetic design. Seeing as these shots are from the opening minutes of the game, the monster we are being shown in these screenshots is likely to be the most basic, "unevolved" variation.
"IGN: Tell us about the enemies in the game.
Sam Barlow: They're relentless, intelligent creatures that outnumber Harry. Like everything in the game, this enemy is part of the dynamic psychology content.
Mark Simmons: They are very intelligent and extremely dynamic. They will hunt you down, co-ordinate with each other, flank you, cut you off, herd you, and stop you. You're in a nightmare and all you can do is hope to escape. As you can climb over walls, fences, through windows, up ladders, jump gaps, up stairs, through doors, so can they. They can go everywhere you can go and more. The enemy will evolve as the game goes on into your perfect nightmare creature based on your psychological profile"(IGN Silent Hill: Shattered Memories Interview 4).
Source: http://wii.ign.com/articles/971/971319p4.html
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"IGN: Tell us about the enemies in the game.
Sam Barlow: They're relentless, intelligent creatures that outnumber Harry. Like everything in the game, this enemy is part of the dynamic psychology content.
Mark Simmons: They are very intelligent and extremely dynamic. They will hunt you down, co-ordinate with each other, flank you, cut you off, herd you, and stop you. You're in a nightmare and all you can do is hope to escape. As you can climb over walls, fences, through windows, up ladders, jump gaps, up stairs, through doors, so can they. They can go everywhere you can go and more. The enemy will evolve as the game goes on into your perfect nightmare creature based on your psychological profile"(IGN Silent Hill: Shattered Memories Interview 4).
Source: http://wii.ign.com/articles/971/971319p4.html
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