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Shattered Memories, Just as Canon as any other Silent Hill?
Silent Hill Canon+Multiple Reincarnations+white Claudia= Shattered Memories?
This is my theory on as to how Shattered memories is infact canon, and a direct sequel to Silent hill 1 + 3.
from Shattered memories we learn that Harry died 18 years ago when Cheryl was 7....making her 25 during the events of Shattered Memories.
in Silent hill 3 Heather is 17.
making it to be about 8 years after Silent Hill 3.
All Pics of the teenaged Cheryl in SM Resemble Heather, right down to the died blond hair.
in SM Cybil Sends Harry a Mugshot of Cheryl taken in Portland, When Harry in on the Frozen Lake running twords the Lighthouse....in Silent Hill 3 it is revealed that Harry and Cheryl moved to Portland where Harry killed a Cult member in self defence-it was after this that Harry changed Cheryl's Name to Heather and went into Hiding....so in conclusion the MugShot was taken before the Name change.
There are many other Allusions to the Main Series in SM.- very subtle though.
in SM it appears that Harry, Dalia and Cheryl were a Familly living in Silent Hill, although this is Wholly unCanon in the Main Series, Alessa did Live with Dalia and Presumably her father(???) in Silent Hill, as seen in Origins and SH1. (Whats my point? you'll see)
in SM Dalia is Cheryl's Mother and Harry her Father....in Silent Hill Canon, Dalia is Alessa's/ reincarnated Cheryl's Mother and Harry her Adoptive Father, to both Cheryl and her Third Reincarnation Heather.- so in conclusion nothing was actually contradicted in SM....(Just Confused, muddled up, i'll get to that)
those are the Facts.
here is my personal theory linking the two Continuities together.
So, its been 8 years, Silent Hill has grown very Strong Since Silent Hill 3.
At Some point the Cult/Order succeed in capturing the Incubator/Alessa/Cheryl/Heather...ect.ect.
But something is Hidden from them. they are unable to impregnate her with there god.
The answer must lie with the Incubator. but Naturally she in uncoperative with the Order.
The Solution? the Order Surmise that they must use Hypnotherophy to regretion to delve backwords into the Complex mind of a Three times reincarnated demi-God.
they use White Claudia the Hallusionagenic Plant native to Silent Hill to induce the Theropy, this Disorintates, confuses and ultimaly sedates Heather, and Places her in a highly sudjestive State.
Kaufmann, Survived the events of SH1....Thus, explaining his Somewhat older appearence in SM, Some 25 years after SH1.
Shattered memories, was a more than approperate title when you take into consideration that the events in SM are the confused blended memories of essentially three people, Alessa, Cheryl and Heather....
in the Ending Kaumann gets fustrated that Cheryl is fixated on Harry, he smashes his glass off the wall. the reason for this, is not his concern for Cheryls mental Health as it would appear in SM. But rather his fustration is due to the fact that he doesnt believe he is getting anywhere closer to the Orders goals because Cheryl keeps focusing on Harry...
in SM Harry is said to have died in a car crash.....in SH Canon he was Murdered by the Order in SH3....Is Cheryl confusing these events due to the fact that allessa's and Heathers memories are all jumbled together...Harry didnt die in a car crash, but perhaps Alessa'a father did? and/or Cheryl is superimposing this memory with the car crash both she and Harry suffered in SH1.
The Woman seen at the Ending of SM, bringing Cheryl home is Not Dalia, but simply a High priestess of the Order, Kaufmann has convinced Cheryl that this is Dalia....all part of the Orders Plans to delve deaper into the Incubator's Psyche/Memories...ongoing Theropy imersing her in a White Claudia induced imearsive, reality.
So, there you have it...Shattered Memories is exactly that...the Shattered Memories of three people/lives superimposed on each other.
I also got to thinking, about a possible follow up....
Harry appearing in SM....was Cheryls Subconsious Cry for help....but this wasnt Harry, it was a construct of Harry, (and Possibly Alessa'a Father....both) dead.
But this Cry for help does'nt fall on deaf ears...her Original Saviour....Travis O'Grady.
The town/Alessa has Called him Back, to protect Cheryl.
Travis finds a drugged Heather in Kaufmann's office...the Order in hot persuit
Travis Carries a confused Heather over to the Mirror, as the Order's Foot Solders burst into Kaufmanns office Travis touches the Mirror.
From Travis' and Heathers' point of view they are in the Otherworld.
from the Solders Point of view travis and Heather dissapeared into the mirror and were simultaneously replaced with the Butcher, Travis' alter ego, who erm...well, Butchers the Solders....
That would be a Brief synopsis of the Intro to my Imagined Follow up to Shattered Memories.....
Why Travis? well he is an Interesting Character, hes one of the few Characters to appear in more than one Silent Hill Game.
He seems to be Repulsed by the Order and what they did to Alessa...yet, as hinted at in his short Cameo in Homecoming, he is still in service to the Town/Alessa....
I would love to see his character further explored
so, just to explain....I'm a continuity nut....everything in a series must make sence for me...if it doesent, I must make the Connections, notable examples would be the Halloween series and Friday the 13th/Jason movies....they drive me crazy. plus, I hate remakes/re-imaginings ect.
although SM is officially classed as a re-imagining of SH1....its not impossable to add it to Silent Hill Canon.
So....Thoughts?
This is my theory on as to how Shattered memories is infact canon, and a direct sequel to Silent hill 1 + 3.
from Shattered memories we learn that Harry died 18 years ago when Cheryl was 7....making her 25 during the events of Shattered Memories.
in Silent hill 3 Heather is 17.
making it to be about 8 years after Silent Hill 3.
All Pics of the teenaged Cheryl in SM Resemble Heather, right down to the died blond hair.
in SM Cybil Sends Harry a Mugshot of Cheryl taken in Portland, When Harry in on the Frozen Lake running twords the Lighthouse....in Silent Hill 3 it is revealed that Harry and Cheryl moved to Portland where Harry killed a Cult member in self defence-it was after this that Harry changed Cheryl's Name to Heather and went into Hiding....so in conclusion the MugShot was taken before the Name change.
There are many other Allusions to the Main Series in SM.- very subtle though.
in SM it appears that Harry, Dalia and Cheryl were a Familly living in Silent Hill, although this is Wholly unCanon in the Main Series, Alessa did Live with Dalia and Presumably her father(???) in Silent Hill, as seen in Origins and SH1. (Whats my point? you'll see)
in SM Dalia is Cheryl's Mother and Harry her Father....in Silent Hill Canon, Dalia is Alessa's/ reincarnated Cheryl's Mother and Harry her Adoptive Father, to both Cheryl and her Third Reincarnation Heather.- so in conclusion nothing was actually contradicted in SM....(Just Confused, muddled up, i'll get to that)
those are the Facts.
here is my personal theory linking the two Continuities together.
So, its been 8 years, Silent Hill has grown very Strong Since Silent Hill 3.
At Some point the Cult/Order succeed in capturing the Incubator/Alessa/Cheryl/Heather...ect.ect.
But something is Hidden from them. they are unable to impregnate her with there god.
The answer must lie with the Incubator. but Naturally she in uncoperative with the Order.
The Solution? the Order Surmise that they must use Hypnotherophy to regretion to delve backwords into the Complex mind of a Three times reincarnated demi-God.
they use White Claudia the Hallusionagenic Plant native to Silent Hill to induce the Theropy, this Disorintates, confuses and ultimaly sedates Heather, and Places her in a highly sudjestive State.
Kaufmann, Survived the events of SH1....Thus, explaining his Somewhat older appearence in SM, Some 25 years after SH1.
Shattered memories, was a more than approperate title when you take into consideration that the events in SM are the confused blended memories of essentially three people, Alessa, Cheryl and Heather....
in the Ending Kaumann gets fustrated that Cheryl is fixated on Harry, he smashes his glass off the wall. the reason for this, is not his concern for Cheryls mental Health as it would appear in SM. But rather his fustration is due to the fact that he doesnt believe he is getting anywhere closer to the Orders goals because Cheryl keeps focusing on Harry...
in SM Harry is said to have died in a car crash.....in SH Canon he was Murdered by the Order in SH3....Is Cheryl confusing these events due to the fact that allessa's and Heathers memories are all jumbled together...Harry didnt die in a car crash, but perhaps Alessa'a father did? and/or Cheryl is superimposing this memory with the car crash both she and Harry suffered in SH1.
The Woman seen at the Ending of SM, bringing Cheryl home is Not Dalia, but simply a High priestess of the Order, Kaufmann has convinced Cheryl that this is Dalia....all part of the Orders Plans to delve deaper into the Incubator's Psyche/Memories...ongoing Theropy imersing her in a White Claudia induced imearsive, reality.
So, there you have it...Shattered Memories is exactly that...the Shattered Memories of three people/lives superimposed on each other.
I also got to thinking, about a possible follow up....
Harry appearing in SM....was Cheryls Subconsious Cry for help....but this wasnt Harry, it was a construct of Harry, (and Possibly Alessa'a Father....both) dead.
But this Cry for help does'nt fall on deaf ears...her Original Saviour....Travis O'Grady.
The town/Alessa has Called him Back, to protect Cheryl.
Travis finds a drugged Heather in Kaufmann's office...the Order in hot persuit
Travis Carries a confused Heather over to the Mirror, as the Order's Foot Solders burst into Kaufmanns office Travis touches the Mirror.
From Travis' and Heathers' point of view they are in the Otherworld.
from the Solders Point of view travis and Heather dissapeared into the mirror and were simultaneously replaced with the Butcher, Travis' alter ego, who erm...well, Butchers the Solders....
That would be a Brief synopsis of the Intro to my Imagined Follow up to Shattered Memories.....
Why Travis? well he is an Interesting Character, hes one of the few Characters to appear in more than one Silent Hill Game.
He seems to be Repulsed by the Order and what they did to Alessa...yet, as hinted at in his short Cameo in Homecoming, he is still in service to the Town/Alessa....
I would love to see his character further explored
so, just to explain....I'm a continuity nut....everything in a series must make sence for me...if it doesent, I must make the Connections, notable examples would be the Halloween series and Friday the 13th/Jason movies....they drive me crazy. plus, I hate remakes/re-imaginings ect.
although SM is officially classed as a re-imagining of SH1....its not impossable to add it to Silent Hill Canon.
So....Thoughts?
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They moved from Portland--and Cheryl/Heather was five years old at the time.in Silent Hill 3 it is revealed that Harry and Cheryl moved to Portland where Harry killed a Cult member in self defence-it was after this that Harry changed Cheryl's Name to Heather and went into Hiding....so in conclusion the MugShot was taken before the Name change.
And, to be honest, this whole theory is vastly over-complicated and its foundation is almost entirely invented circumstance. It's not even really so much a theory as it is a work of fanfiction.
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since when was Silent Hill ever NOT Convoluted.....
but yeah, it is Entirely Circumstantial...Although there is nothing about my theory which can be substantiated....there is nothing to dismiss it either.
Oh and as for the Whole Portland thing....As I said before, in my theory, SM is the product of essentialy 3 people all jumbled up....so yeah in SH Canon she was 5 at the time....but in her fractured mind this fact was confused and an image of a teen aged Heather wearing the outfit she wore in SH3....2 confused details from Heathers life. Portland her Outfit and Hair colour as seen in SH3.
but yeah, it is Entirely Circumstantial...Although there is nothing about my theory which can be substantiated....there is nothing to dismiss it either.
Oh and as for the Whole Portland thing....As I said before, in my theory, SM is the product of essentialy 3 people all jumbled up....so yeah in SH Canon she was 5 at the time....but in her fractured mind this fact was confused and an image of a teen aged Heather wearing the outfit she wore in SH3....2 confused details from Heathers life. Portland her Outfit and Hair colour as seen in SH3.
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Silent Hill canon isn't really all that convoluted. There are some points of contention, but for the most part, everything fits together very well.
Yours is what we call a "Maria is an alien robot" theory, an desciption given to theories whose only defense is that they can't be disproven. If you can't substantiate your own theory, nobody here is going to take it seriously. If that was your intention in the first place.
Yours is what we call a "Maria is an alien robot" theory, an desciption given to theories whose only defense is that they can't be disproven. If you can't substantiate your own theory, nobody here is going to take it seriously. If that was your intention in the first place.
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Ah....I see, Okay....then yeah I guess it is an Alien Maria thingy, lol...
well either way, although its Officially a Re-Imagining, I guess any further Debate on the matter would depend on weather or not we get a Follow up to Shattered Memories....or weather or not SH6 is said follow up or a sequel to the original Series or something new.
whos to say for sure what any future developer of the series has to contribute/retcon to the series will they canonise Shattered Memories? or will they continue one of the two continuities of Silent Hill....time will tell.
Your comments about this seeming to be more like fan fiction has inspired me to do just that....I'm going to expand on this theory and my Imagined Follow up.
I'll post it here in the Fan Created Art section when its done.
well either way, although its Officially a Re-Imagining, I guess any further Debate on the matter would depend on weather or not we get a Follow up to Shattered Memories....or weather or not SH6 is said follow up or a sequel to the original Series or something new.
whos to say for sure what any future developer of the series has to contribute/retcon to the series will they canonise Shattered Memories? or will they continue one of the two continuities of Silent Hill....time will tell.
Your comments about this seeming to be more like fan fiction has inspired me to do just that....I'm going to expand on this theory and my Imagined Follow up.
I'll post it here in the Fan Created Art section when its done.
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Re: Shattered Memories, Just as Canon as any other Silent Hi
This... has to be a joke... right?Cheryl,Heather...whatever wrote: Harry appearing in SM....was Cheryls Subconsious Cry for help....but this wasnt Harry, it was a construct of Harry, (and Possibly Alessa'a Father....both) dead.
But this Cry for help does'nt fall on deaf ears...her Original Saviour....Travis O'Grady.
The town/Alessa has Called him Back, to protect Cheryl.
Travis finds a drugged Heather in Kaufmann's office...the Order in hot persuit
Travis Carries a confused Heather over to the Mirror, as the Order's Foot Solders burst into Kaufmanns office Travis touches the Mirror.
From Travis' and Heathers' point of view they are in the Otherworld.
from the Solders Point of view travis and Heather dissapeared into the mirror and were simultaneously replaced with the Butcher, Travis' alter ego, who erm...well, Butchers the Solders....
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But you didnt Disprove it, And I responded to all your Points with counter-pointsThis theory is pretty terrible, as I already deconstructed in the other thread you posted in.
But Damn, its not FACT its a theory. your Opinion is that its Terrible, Mine is that its possible, convoluted...put possible
Nope, that part was my imagination running wild, what if SM was Canon? how would it be followed up/intergrated with the main series....Not part of my theory, just how I would follow up SM.This... has to be a joke... right?
and I don't appreaciate comments like that, I wouldnt respond to any of your posts with such dissrespect.
Constructive Critisism....ever hear of it?
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Wait a minute, is this a joke?
no just a fan of the series, musing on the possibility of SM being part of the main canon....nothing more, nothing less.
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good point although I will point of that for the most part all theories begin with speculation.
And although AuraTwilight Discounted my Theory, it was Discounted with AuraTwilight's own Speculation.
But as You pointed out before, it is a "Maria is an Alien Robot" Comment, that much is true.
Perhaps my use of the Word Theory was wrong, perhaps I should have been more clear that this is my own personal Musings on the Canon of the Series and weather or not I could fit SM in there.
And although AuraTwilight Discounted my Theory, it was Discounted with AuraTwilight's own Speculation.
But as You pointed out before, it is a "Maria is an Alien Robot" Comment, that much is true.
Perhaps my use of the Word Theory was wrong, perhaps I should have been more clear that this is my own personal Musings on the Canon of the Series and weather or not I could fit SM in there.
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Your counterpoints are equally fallacious and failed to cover up any of the immense plotholes in your theory, along with contradictions to canon.But you didnt Disprove it, And I responded to all your Points with counter-points
But Damn, its not FACT its a theory. your Opinion is that its Terrible, Mine is that its possible, convoluted...put possible
Technically, every theory is POSSIBLE if we stretch hard enough. I'm going to theorize that James never killed Mary, but he actually tricked himself into thinking that because he never had ANY wife, and was so lonely that he made her up. The murder and sickness was actually SYMBOLIC of him realizing she was never real.
Possible? Certainly. But it's still tremendously stupid, convoluted, and INSULTING to the original story, taking the original point and twisting it into some ugly, poorly written joke. That's what you're basically doing here. A theory not only has to keep in line with the facts, but also with the obvious intent, theme, and point of the story. Everything becomes meaningless if we just scribble all over the paper.
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Okay, you say its not in line with the Facts. but I say i Took the facts as seen in SH Canon....then I took the Facts as seen in SM....And as an excercise (possibly in futility) I joined the dots, made connections...as i stated in the Original post. I pointed out the facts, which took up about a fifth of the post, the rest WAS me, making my own connections between the two storylines
But saying that I took the Original story and pissed all over it?.
"But it's still tremendously stupid, convoluted, and INSULTING to the original story, taking the original point and twisting it."
nah, one could argue that SM did that to the original SH1....
Just saying.
I have a great respect for team Silent's Original creations...and also Climax' reimagining.
if a futurer developer does indeed make connections between the two storylines, would you refuse to play it?
Okay, you say its not in line with the Facts. but I say i Took the facts as seen in SH Canon....then I took the Facts as seen in SM....And as an excercise (possibly in futility) I joined the dots, made connections...as i stated in the Original post. I pointed out the facts, which took up about a fifth of the post, the rest WAS me, making my own connections between the two storylines
But saying that I took the Original story and pissed all over it?.
"But it's still tremendously stupid, convoluted, and INSULTING to the original story, taking the original point and twisting it."
nah, one could argue that SM did that to the original SH1....
Just saying.
I have a great respect for team Silent's Original creations...and also Climax' reimagining.
if a futurer developer does indeed make connections between the two storylines, would you refuse to play it?
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I was trying to be nice, because what I really wanted to say was:Cheryl,Heather...whatever wrote: Nope, that part was my imagination running wild, what if SM was Canon? how would it be followed up/intergrated with the main series....Not part of my theory, just how I would follow up SM.
and I don't appreaciate comments like that, I wouldnt respond to any of your posts with such dissrespect.
Constructive Critisism....ever hear of it?
"This is possibly the dumbest idea for a Silent Hill game ever. That sounds like the opening to a bad network TV show, not a Silent Hill game. Please never make video games."
But I held back, because I didn't want to sound like a dick. But I had to say something. Because that was really lame and almost as disrespectful to the series as your half-assed "theory" on Shattered Memories.
But, fine, I'll give "constructive criticism". Stop trying to force the game to be what you want it to be. Either enjoy it for what it is, or don't play it.
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your entitled to your opinion.
Can i not be entitled to mine? And yeah your right it was halfassed considering I came up with it on the spot...brainstorming..
its far from perfect, but its not ment to be. just sharing my ideas with fellow fans of the series. not sharing a Novel with them.
I'm not trying to force SM to be what I want it to be...I know its an Alternate reality, I'm just saying, what if?...
Oh and you were trying to be Nice Before???....damn, I never want to see you angry.
Can i not be entitled to mine? And yeah your right it was halfassed considering I came up with it on the spot...brainstorming..
its far from perfect, but its not ment to be. just sharing my ideas with fellow fans of the series. not sharing a Novel with them.
I'm not trying to force SM to be what I want it to be...I know its an Alternate reality, I'm just saying, what if?...
Oh and you were trying to be Nice Before???....damn, I never want to see you angry.
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Read what I actually said. Adhering to the letter of fact is not enough. You must also be in line with the spirit of the work. What you're doing is the same as trying to spin that 1984 was a literary essay on the values of communism.Okay, you say its not in line with the Facts. but I say i Took the facts as seen in SH Canon....
You made connections to imaginary dots. If "A connects to B connects to C connects to D," B and C are dots entirely of your own invention with no basis.I joined the dots, made connections
Wow that made me want to hit someone.nah, one could argue that SM did that to the original SH1....
Just saying.
SM doesn't even touch the original SH1. It's not at all comparable to what you're doing.
You don't act like it.I have a great respect for team Silent's Original creations...and also Climax' reimagining.
That depends. Is it something justified and workable? If so, it's still unlikely, but I'd give it a chance. Is it the abomination you wrote? Then most certainly not.if a futurer developer does indeed make connections between the two storylines, would you refuse to play it?
What Ifs are fine, but only if they actually have some modicrum of possibility, sense, coherency, and respect for the original work. "Hey guys, what if Heather was a black bitch with a huge fro and a love for fried chikkunz, but she actually forgot about it and started believing she was some white girl named Alessa Gillespie, and the power of the town made it come true? You can't prove me wrong, she's adopted lol!"I'm not trying to force SM to be what I want it to be...I know its an Alternate reality, I'm just saying, what if?...
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I Guess thats fair to say.Read what I actually said. Adhering to the letter of fact is not enough. You must also be in line with the spirit of the work. What you're doing is the same as trying to spin that 1984 was a literary essay on the values of communism.
yes, and I never claimed otherwiseYou made connections to imaginary dots. If "A connects to B connects to C connects to D," B and C are dots entirely of your own invention with no basis.
I Beg to differ, character names, place names, plot details, senario (albeit vague) were all lifted from SH1. it took SH1, stripped it down to the bones and built it back up....gave it one of the greatest twists in video game history . . . its a very different beast but familler at the same timeWow that made me want to hit someone.
SM doesn't even touch the original SH1. It's not at all comparable to what you're doing.
I don't see how I've disrespected the games by trying to find a link, but to each there own i guessYou don't act like it.
well at least your openminded to the idea, thats what I originally tried discuss before this turned into a flame war.
That depends. Is it something justified and workable? If so, it's still unlikely, but I'd give it a chance. Is it the abomination you wrote? Then most certainly not.
Abomination? man, its just a bareboned idea....an inkling, the first spark of an idea, its nothing.....its hardly war and peace....not even a preface to an Enid Blighton Book.....I didnt intend for it to be viewed as polished or refined, I was making it up as I went along....give me Time, and i'd polish that Turd into a fuckin' Diamond...check out the Fan Fiction Section when its done.
lol, yeah, I can't disprove it....in all seriousness though, if a futureDeveloper was to combine the Ideas, it would indeed have to be done right and with the greatest respect to the Story(s)What Ifs are fine, but only if they actually have some modicrum of possibility, sense, coherency, and respect for the original work. "Hey guys, what if Heather was a black bitch with a huge fro and a love for fried chikkunz, but she actually forgot about it and started believing she was some white girl named Alessa Gillespie, and the power of the town made it come true? You can't prove me wrong, she's adopted lol!"
I never claimed that my vision was great or correct, only that there was a possibility that it could work. but I get your point/fears on how it would undermine SM. but if it was done right, it could be great.
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That's not what I meant. It doesn't touch SH1 in that SH1 itself is not effected by any of the revelations or plot progressions of Shattered Memories. It doesn't even retcon anything. Therefore, it is not at all justifiable as an excuse for your theory.I Beg to differ, character names, place names, plot details, senario (albeit vague) were all lifted from SH1. it took SH1, stripped it down to the bones and built it back up....gave it one of the greatest twists in video game history . . . its a very different beast but familler at the same time
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