Did anyone else think (about Lisa and the pills) [spoiler]

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Did anyone else think (about Lisa and the pills) [spoiler]

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When Lisa asks for the pill and youre given the option to give her the wrong pill, I immediately thought the game was testing if the player would date rape lisa :shock: Did anyone else think that?

It weirded me out & fascinated me even after i found that wasnt the case.
The game really challeged players with heavy, real issues like teen suicide, domestic abuse, and rape (the statutory kind). No games really do that. I was impressed.
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Holy shit, who the hell goes from "get me some medicine" to "date rape"?
[quote="BlackFire2"]I thought he meant the special powers of her vagina.[/quote]
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AuraTwilight wrote:Holy shit, who the hell goes from "get me some medicine" to "date rape"?
it happens. did you never see the seinfeld episode where jerry drugs his gf to play with her toy collection?
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born2kill wrote:When Lisa asks for the pill and youre given the option to give her the wrong pill, I immediately thought the game was testing if the player would date rape lisa :shock: Did anyone else think that?
No. I'm actually a little disturbed by your train of thought though...
Personally, I just expected her to die if I gave her the wrong pill, so imagine my surprise when she upped and died anyway. :?
born2kill wrote:It weirded me out & fascinated me even after i found that wasnt the case.
The game really challeged players with heavy, real issues like teen suicide, domestic abuse, and rape (the statutory kind). No games really do that. I was impressed.
Most of the other games touch upon serious issues too. For example:
Major Silent Hill 2 Spoilers:
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James' mercy killing/murder of Mary, and the nature of Angela's abuse at the hands of her father.
stopped_clock wrote:Remind me never to ask you for an aspirin.
I literally lol'ed.
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Why is people so obsessed with "rape"? Seems that people doesn't have anything else to say in internet... It is a bad thing you know?? It is a crime and one of the worst things that can happen to any person...
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Trolololol. I'm literally extremely confused here. I just finished the game for the first time about a few days ago, so bare with me. I gave her the green pills (the ones she asked for), yet she still died on me (SH1 style with the blood coming out from everywhere). Are you ever capable of saving her? I'd like to keep that in mind for my next playthrough, which I by the way haven't started yet.
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KageReneko wrote:Why is people so obsessed with "rape"? Seems that people doesn't have anything else to say in internet... It is a bad thing you know?? It is a crime and one of the worst things that can happen to any person...
rape is a bad thing? its a crime? thanks for clearing that up. I must have been confused because silent hill never deals with bad or criminal behavior.
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Whatever pill you give her makes no difference, at least in regards to her fate.
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She dies, she dies, and she...dies. There's nothing you can do. Whatever pill you give her kills her. Either it's that, or her head injuries, or a combo of them both. Nothing you can do saves her, which hopefully gives you an idea of what she symbolizes in the overall story.

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Soulless-Shadow wrote:
born2kill wrote:When Lisa asks for the pill and youre given the option to give her the wrong pill, I immediately thought the game was testing if the player would date rape lisa :shock: Did anyone else think that?
No. I'm actually a little disturbed by your train of thought though...
Personally, I just expected her to die if I gave her the wrong pill, so imagine my surprise when she upped and died anyway. :?
disturbed? really? because instead of thinking the game would give us the option to murder her, i thought date rape. thats a disturbing leap?

I never imagined she would have a poison pill in her cabinet. I imagined she might have a sleeping pill though. And again, i go back to the seinfeld episode where she asks for medicine & jerry gives her the sleepy stuff.

oh well, i guess to answer the topic question i am the only one who thought that.
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There was a part of me that wondered if she'd get really sick (or something to that effect) if you gave her the wrong colored pill.
What do people usually keep in their medicine cabinet? Like sleeping pills, pain pills and cough drops, right? I guess it was pretty fool proof.

I was so annoyed at the obvious wii influence of the bottle movement that I didn't really have time to overthink it. I've got the PS version. It's pretty damn obvious.
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wonder's boy wrote:
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She dies, she dies, and she...dies. There's nothing you can do. Whatever pill you give her kills her. Either it's that, or her head injuries, or a combo of them both. Nothing you can do saves her, which hopefully gives you an idea of what she symbolizes in the overall story.

Nothing you do now changes what happens in the past. It's best to move on and accept.
The head injury is what kills Lisa. I doubt Lisa stocks "bleed to death out of my face" pills as much as I doubt she keeps a supply of rohypnol to tempt random strangers into a little date-rape.

You can give Lisa the right pill or wrong one, and it doesn't matter. She's still going to die. The right pill can't save her and the wrong one won't kill her. It's designed to either make you feel guilty or make you feel impotent, when neither is really correct. It goes along with the guilt game you play with the doctor; no matter what pill you give Lisa, she can't survive. No matter who's most to blame for Celestine's death, Celestine's still dead. Is Harry to blame for Lisa's death? Is Lisa? Is it the pill?

There are no right or wrong answers, and even if there were, it'd be irrelevant. Therefore, blaming yourself is unproductive. Kaufmann tells you as much himself.
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born2kill wrote:
Soulless-Shadow wrote:
born2kill wrote:When Lisa asks for the pill and youre given the option to give her the wrong pill, I immediately thought the game was testing if the player would date rape lisa :shock: Did anyone else think that?
No. I'm actually a little disturbed by your train of thought though...
Personally, I just expected her to die if I gave her the wrong pill, so imagine my surprise when she upped and died anyway. :?
disturbed? really? because instead of thinking the game would give us the option to murder her, i thought date rape. thats a disturbing leap?
It was a joke. :roll: Sheesh. I would say to take a chill pill, but such a pun would be too cliché.
born2kill wrote:I never imagined she would have a poison pill in her cabinet. I imagined she might have a sleeping pill though.
The pill wasn't poison. It probably wouldn't have been kept in the medicine cabinet with the real medicine if it was. Besides, apparently going to sleep after receiving a head injury and concussion is a very bad idea.
born2kill wrote:And again, i go back to the seinfeld episode where she asks for medicine & jerry gives her the sleepy stuff.
Haven't seen it. In fact, I can't stand that show, so I avoid it when it's on tv. But, I think the whole point of that part of the game is as Alone in the Town stated; the pill itself isn't important. What is important are the feelings Lisa's death invokes depending on your actions. Now, I'm only speculating here, but it probably has something to do with...
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...how Cheryl feels over her father's death (duh :roll: ).
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I dunno. I got a real rapey vibe from Lisa.
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By the way, Harry gives Lisa PTV.
Here texture bottles of pills:
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How do we know, PTV is purported to be made from an indigenous plant, White Claudia.
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^ Extremely interesting. White Claudia playing a role in Shattered Memories? Do you think Lisa SM was a drug addict close to how original Lisa was? (Hehe, I think I'm just over-analyzing now).

Soulless-Shadow wrote:Haven't seen it. In fact, I can't stand that show, so I avoid it when it's on tv. But, I think the whole point of that part of the game is as Alone in the Town stated; the pill itself isn't important. What is important are the feelings Lisa's death invokes depending on your actions. Now, I'm only speculating here, but it probably has something to do with...
PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER_SHOW PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER:
...how Cheryl feels over her father's death (duh :roll: ).
Yes. It's all about the guilt test Dr. K tests you on prior to Lisa's death. Quoting this thread, I agree with:
Putting the Princess first blames Harry for leaving.
Putting the Prince first blames Dahlia for making Harry leave the house with the car via the divorce
Putting the King first blames Cheryl herself and emphasizes the fact that Cheryl blames herself for her father's death
Putting the Bull first blames the car accident for Harry's death.
Therefore, Lisa's death scene victimizes a person with the guilt for the death (Lisa/Harry) depending on who the player chooses first.
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Do you think Lisa SM was a drug addict close to how original Lisa was?
In SM we see original Lisa. And we see how she died.
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I doubt it's a drug with a capital D, guys. It's clearly a prescription medicine using the same name, and Lisa took it because she thought it would help. No one goes "Oh man I want a buzz, bro" when they're bleeding out their head.
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