Theories on the Orphanage (Spoilers, obviously)
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Re: Theories on the Orphanage (Spoilers, obviously)
^He doesn't say specifically. I forget exactly what it says. I'll post what it was when I get back to my PS3 later.
I actually thought it was kind of an amnesia plot in some ways, though not entirely.
I actually thought it was kind of an amnesia plot in some ways, though not entirely.
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Re: Theories on the Orphanage (Spoilers, obviously)
There's absolutely no reason for him to have amnesia though. The hidden info is just stuff that the player doesn't know, if HE doesn't know it then holllyyyy fuuuuck suddenly I dislike the game's story waaay more.
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Re: Theories on the Orphanage (Spoilers, obviously)
Why don't you play the game first instead of having knee jerk reactions to every little thing you hear? Or if you don't want to play it look up a Let's Play of it on youtube so you can actually experience the plot without jumping to conclusions.
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I played through it.Augophthalmoses wrote:Why don't you play the game first instead of having knee jerk reactions to every little thing you hear? Or if you don't want to play it look up a Let's Play of it on youtube so you can actually experience the plot without jumping to conclusions.
So there's that.
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Your preceding post really makes me doubt that you have, but whatever.
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You can look all around the other threads and see posts I made about feelings I had during parts of the game. I liked the beginning, thought the middle and sidequests were decent, fucking hated the ending, hated the prisoners, thought the Bogeyman just looked dumb, shit what else do I need to say.
At no point does he seem to recognize Silent Hill if I remember correctly. I would think it would be rather ridiculous that he just completely forgot about the place due to him HAVING NO REASON TO HAVE FORGOTTEN IT.
At no point does he seem to recognize Silent Hill if I remember correctly. I would think it would be rather ridiculous that he just completely forgot about the place due to him HAVING NO REASON TO HAVE FORGOTTEN IT.
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Re: Theories on the Orphanage (Spoilers, obviously)
Just because we're never shown that Murphy remembers Silent Hill doesn't mean that he doesn't. Just because he's the protagonist doesn't mean we have a direct line to every single one of his thoughts or realizations. I'm fairly certain this is similar to Silent Hill Origins, where people bitched and moaned about the "amnesia" aspects of the plot when there actually weren't any there.Falconv1.0 wrote:You can look all around the other threads and see posts I made about feelings I had during parts of the game. I liked the beginning, thought the middle and sidequests were decent, fucking hated the ending, hated the prisoners, thought the Bogeyman just looked dumb, shit what else do I need to say.
At no point does he seem to recognize Silent Hill if I remember correctly. I would think it would be rather ridiculous that he just completely forgot about the place due to him HAVING NO REASON TO HAVE FORGOTTEN IT.
Also, when he first goes to the Orphanage he says something like, "Jesus, what happened here? An earthquake?" That makes me think that he remembers what it used to look like. I thought that even before I figured out (well, theorized) that Murphy went to the orphanage.
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Re: Theories on the Orphanage (Spoilers, obviously)
I thought the boy described in the orphanage memos died on the operating table during his lobotomy.
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Well, that solves that. Thanks, Aerith!Aerith Gainsborough wrote:I actually find out that Murphy was indeed an orphan. At that orphanage...I don't know. If you go into the Extra Menu you can see (Unless I picked up some extra stuff) where you can look through the characters (I currently have Howard, Anne, The Nun, and Frank in mine). When I read the Nun's little memo, Murphy says something like, "When I lived in the orphanage we were glad to called the Nuns our teachers and even our mothers."
I'm going to assume it was THAT Orphanage since Murphy clearly knows that Orphanage (his reaction to getting a letter from there more than hinted that to me) and there would be no point in the game confirming he was an orphan if it was unrelated to the Orphanage that makes up a good part of the game.
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^No problem. I'm not going to dispute it, but all I know is that it seems like he doesn't really know Silent Hill prior to going there in the game. Unless he has amnesia...>_>;
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I said in another thread that I don't think Murphy actually grew up at St. Maria's. However, he would associate an orphanage with beginnings. That makes it the perfect location to explore the root cause of why he is in Silent Hill. Also, Murphy seemed pretty positive about the orphanage where he grew up in the extras gallery. If St. Maria's is half as fucked up as the notes found there would lead us to believe, I think he would be at least a little more down on the place.
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^Yeah, I think so, too. He was very positive about it, unless things went on at his Orphanage that he had no idea about (though you do hear many voices crying out for their parents within St. Maria's, so maybe it was typically a fucked up place).
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It seems they were pretty strict at the orphanage - by the letters and memos. So I doubt, highly doubt they would let Murphy go out to see the town. He doesn't recognize anything in Silent Hill because he's never seen it.Falconv1.0 wrote:At no point does he seem to recognize Silent Hill if I remember correctly. I would think it would be rather ridiculous that he just completely forgot about the place due to him HAVING NO REASON TO HAVE FORGOTTEN IT.
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^But he clearly had to leave the orphanage at some point when he became an adult. I mean, it's not like he teleported out of there. He must have seen part of the town if he were a resident at that orphanage.
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But how much of the town? He doesn't exactly need a guided tour of the town in order to leave it, and remember that it was when he was a child. If he was a child when he was in the orphanage, left when he was still a young child, and actually lived in Boston like most theorize, it makes perfect sense that he doesn't have a photographic memory of Silent Hill.Aerith Gainsborough wrote:^But he clearly had to leave the orphanage at some point when he became an adult. I mean, it's not like he teleported out of there. He must have seen part of the town if he were a resident at that orphanage.
And keep in mind what I said before, it's entirely possible that Murphy remembers and that he just doesn't comment on those aspects. This isn't a novel, we do not have a direct line to every thought the main character has, only those helpful to getting through the game.
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Re: Theories on the Orphanage (Spoilers, obviously)
Mabey not this Orphanage, but yes he was in and Orphanage as a kid. I don't remember where this was but he comments on how he never understood why nuns would choose a life like that just to help people/kids, but he was greatfull they were there for him as a kid.Nillin wrote:I'm seriously getting the impression that Murphy was actually a child at this orphanage. I'm basing this off of a few things.
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It's in the Gallery.sh#1fan wrote:Mabey not this Orphanage, but yes he was in and Orphanage as a kid. I don't remember where this was but he comments on how he never understood why nuns would choose a life like that just to help people/kids, but he was greatfull they were there for him as a kid.
Personally I think that, even if Murphy didn't grow up in THAT particular orphanage, a lot of the things in it are based on Murphy's childhood in one. I think the nun character is a manifestation of his. I think the memos and letters of a child to their parents and so on are related to Murphy at an Orphanage. I don't think they would have this Orphanage subplot and also have Murphy grow up in an Orphanage if the two weren't related.
Or, if that little girl is Cunningham, then it's a fusion and clashing of their different experiences at different Orphanages. Maybe Murphy had a positive Orphanage experience and Cunningham had a terrible one, and those two things are clashing in that location in Silent Hill. We've all pretty much decided that the Silent Hill we experience in Downpour is a mixture of Murphy and Cunningham, right? And perhaps the crying lady we never see early on in the Orphanage is her?
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We don't even KNOW that he was even adopted from the orphanage, do we? I don't know about the legalities in orphanages, but I would say that when you turn eighteen that you kinda...go on your own as an adult? How would he not know the town up from the orphanage, then? He would be like, "Hey...I remember this place..." Unless, like many fear, amnesia? Even if he was from Boston, maybe he lived there as an adult with his wife and kids and got arrested in Boston, stayed at a little jail there, got deported to a new prison (a very common thing) in Silent Hill. Makes sense to me. Also, what if he lived in Boston as a child, his parents died, then he went to an orphanage?Nillin wrote:But how much of the town? He doesn't exactly need a guided tour of the town in order to leave it, and remember that it was when he was a child. If he was a child when he was in the orphanage, left when he was still a young child, and actually lived in Boston like most theorize, it makes perfect sense that he doesn't have a photographic memory of Silent Hill.Aerith Gainsborough wrote:^But he clearly had to leave the orphanage at some point when he became an adult. I mean, it's not like he teleported out of there. He must have seen part of the town if he were a resident at that orphanage.
And keep in mind what I said before, it's entirely possible that Murphy remembers and that he just doesn't comment on those aspects. This isn't a novel, we do not have a direct line to every thought the main character has, only those helpful to getting through the game.
That's true, but he seems very much like he doesn't know the place at all or any connection to it what-so-ever when he gets there and talks to the nun.
The only thing that really bothers me is that he acts very strangely when he sees the letter being from the orphanage, or maybe he simply knows that there isn't a coincidence that he's being called to go to an orphanage when he, himself, used to stay in one. I'd be wigging out, too.
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I'd say he was wigging out over the fact that he just fell from a clock face and woke up on a park bench. Howard's casual attitude was just the last straw.
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I think Anne is the little girl for sure. In the Cenatenial Building we see them run across the beam at the same time in the same way. In the Orphange when you're in the attic, the little girl is talking to Wheelchair Frank, which symbolizes her father. It also gives the illusion of time standing still in this part as well, with all the paper slowly swirling in midair. Maybe this scene is from Anne's perspective and represents the first time she met him? At the time the little girl was running away from something that scared her and she looks calm with him in this scene.
Something else, Anne has a different last name than Frank, but no wedding ring to speak of. Now maybe she is married and she just doesn't wear a ring, but I know about three children that were adopted when they were ages 8 thru 10 and they kept their original name, because by that time they knew it.
I think what makes it all interesting is that Anne and Murphy can both have connections to living in Orphanages. So the level makes a lot of sense in that regard. Although I don't think that Murphy needs to have been from the one in Silent Hill in order to connect with St. Maria's.
I kinda feel like the town starts to rewrite stuff a bit when you're there in this game. There was a newspaper clipping that said Charlie Pendleton was missing and to contact Silent Hill Police in one part, but it never mentioned Murphy living in Silent Hill again. So, I'm not thinking its amnesia as much as Murphy being in Silent Hill and projecting this thoughts on what happened to him as being in that town.
Of course this is all theory at this point for me. I haven't started my 2nd run through and I'm trying to come up with ideas to prove/disprove while I do so.
Something else, Anne has a different last name than Frank, but no wedding ring to speak of. Now maybe she is married and she just doesn't wear a ring, but I know about three children that were adopted when they were ages 8 thru 10 and they kept their original name, because by that time they knew it.
I think what makes it all interesting is that Anne and Murphy can both have connections to living in Orphanages. So the level makes a lot of sense in that regard. Although I don't think that Murphy needs to have been from the one in Silent Hill in order to connect with St. Maria's.
I kinda feel like the town starts to rewrite stuff a bit when you're there in this game. There was a newspaper clipping that said Charlie Pendleton was missing and to contact Silent Hill Police in one part, but it never mentioned Murphy living in Silent Hill again. So, I'm not thinking its amnesia as much as Murphy being in Silent Hill and projecting this thoughts on what happened to him as being in that town.
Of course this is all theory at this point for me. I haven't started my 2nd run through and I'm trying to come up with ideas to prove/disprove while I do so.