Aerith Gainsborough wrote:The thing is that the legal system (at least the American and many others) doesn't follow the 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth' approach. Killing someone out of revenge will get someone put in jail, regardless of reasons. We don't take murder lightly. Self-defense is like..the only way one can do it without rotting in a prison cell for the rest of their life. There was another way, which was let Napier rot in prison. Maybe killing him was a reward out of there, or maybe he didn't want to die (he sure seemed to be begging for his life). There are people who are perfectly okay with killing others who killed a member of their family, but it doesn't make it legally (and morally for many) right. If Murphy's entry in the Gallery is correct (which has been stated to be taken with a grain of salt), he actually feels remorse for Napier's death. If he doesn't, well...I guess tough titty. It's the LAW.
I think part of it is Murphy's remorse and self-guilt, yes, but not all of it. I think another contributing factor is simply Anne. Murphy feels self-guilt for Charlie's death. He wasn't watching him, so he feels responsible for his son's death, and his wife blames him, as well. Also, I'm sure he feels some guilt for Frank's death, though it's not really outright stated, he does hear his voice often, and felt sorry for what happened, so it must have affected him at the time, and I'm sure he felt horrible about it. Water is probably mainly influenced by Murphy. His son was found in a lake and he killed Napier in the showers. Water was present when his revenge began and ended. Anne's revenge and remorse also affect Murphy. Anne created the Wheelman monster that Murphy sees. He had no idea that Frank hadn't died and was a vegetable, but she did. She saw him as a broken, lifeless person, pretty much condensed to skin and bone, because he couldn't do anything else but sit there while his life drained away. That's how she saw her father after he was put that way. The man that was once happy and caring, going about his business, has been condensed to the complete opposite, and it kills her inside. You also see various wheelchair marks throughout the games, which lead you to areas you need to go for side-quests and the story, also influenced by Anne that plays homage to Frank's confinement to a Wheelchair, and the fact that Frank is being used to lead both of them to truth and justice. The Bogeyman, I'd say, is inspired by both of them. Both of them judge others. It has nothing to do with how they're judged by others. They both have faults. They both want/ed revenge so badly that it blinded them from properly grieving over the deaths of their loved ones (Aura does a great explanation of this above). They're blinded by hate, and in that hate they judge others and feel the need to take judgment in their own hands, when, in reality, they're being just as monstrous.
Sorry for the wall of text.
@Juri: Wait, I'm confused. I thought Tomm said that Murphy kills Napier in ALL endings except A? o_o
Oh, it's perfectly alright to write a wall of text hehe
Umm, It's not about the law or anything nor the eye for an eye, it's about a feeling that everyone would have if their loved one was killed so brutally without a single fault or mistake. You're making them look like monsters for wanting revenge while it's human nature to feel such grudge towards those people.
Such people should be executed because they don't deserve to live among good people, their existence only brings more trouble and when they're in prison, most murderers or sex offenders live a fucked up life with no resources and a shitty house (most not all) so taking them to jail as sequestered prisoners would feel like a 5 stars vacation to them.
I agree about the experience being born out of their own feelings and I view it as a way to portray how they feel rather than judgement or punishment to Anne and Murphy. I think the whole story began when Frank died, it could've started when Napier was killed or when Charlie died (just like most SH titles which usually start right after the problem occurs) but it started after Frank was killed and Murphy met Anne as if destiny waited for them to unite so they can see things for what they really are and I believe the aim of this was the truth.
I also feel like the story is partially being told from Anne's perspective. Anne did not know the truth and she wanted to kill a man who didn't kill her father so she has to know what's really going on hence the existence of 2 endings that revolve around a very similar conclusion.
I also believe that just like the world of SH1,3 and Origins was born from Alessa's point of view and misery, and SH2 was born from both James and Mary's point of view and SH4 was born from Walter's point of view, the same thing is here. The world is born from Frank's point of view, so many elements that aren't related to Murphy (like the first otherworld transformation which looks almost exactly like a ship from the 50s, 60s or 70s) as well as Murphy and Anne's, hence the variety of elements in it.
JuriDawn wrote:Yuki wrote:No. Tomm Hulett specifically stated that:
Sewell stating Murphy did not kill Napier in Ending B was a mistake. He did indeed kill Napier in all endings except for Ending A.
Ah, okay. Since this is the only SH forum I visit, this is the first I've heard of it.
(hooray for google) Though frankly, since the mistake was included, I'm afraid it does have to mean that
Murphy did not kill Napier in ending B.
I understand that the inclusion of that fact was a mistake and not the intention of the writer(s), but it's in the game and therefore true as I experience it.
Very well said, my thoughts exactly. It doesn't matter what Tomm and the others say, what matters is what we got in the final product. Not everyone is interested in the internet and online forums nor everyone will listen to what the developers will say AFTER the game is released. M
any people if not most of them go to a store, find a nice video game they watched a trailer of or loved it's franchise from a while ago and buy it, they don't bother browsing the web and forums and threads to see IF anyone fixed anything that is said in the game or not.