Aerith Gainsborough wrote:
Clearly he's not a 'mindless monster.' The other monster's instincts are to kill you. Uhm, duh? Valtiel's is to serve the God, keep the mother of God alive, and etc. That shows that Valtiel isn't like the rest of the monsters, wouldn't you say? He actually serves a purpose. You see him protecting the God, reincarnating Heather when she dies, putting a cloth over the God's eyes. That's its' job. He's not running around like 'Har Har. I'm going to attack this human for the hell of it, even though I'm a silly manifestation. Har har.' No. He's not a mindless monster. I don't know why you even think that. Nothing you said convinces me otherwise.
Am I alone here? I mean, seriously.
Pyramid Head also serves a purpose. Are you going to argue that he's more than a mindless monster too? Even if on the surface he appears to only be attacking James?
Like I said, Valitel was doing what he was doing simply because it was expected of him by Claudia and Vincent, as well as other cult members (for example, Leonard). Remember, a lot of what we see (monsters, the otherworld, and even God itself) are made based on peoples minds, thoughts, and beliefs. What they think, what they believe*, what they expect**, what they feel, is what appears. If the cult believes that Valtiel is God's servant, then that is what he will be seen doing; serving God. Nothing more, nothing less. If they believed that Valtiel was God's personal break-dancer, then we would instead see him busting some sick moves for our viewing pleasure. He is nothing more than what they believe him to be, what they expect him to be. He is a mindless monster.
*an example of this would be God's different forms in SH1, and then in SH3; Woman in White for Alessa, Incubus for Dahlia, and Alessa for Claudia.
**an example of this would be in the subway when Heather is pushed off the platform onto the subway tracks after reading the articles about deaths/suicides (and another article, if I remember correctly). She was thinking about that information, thus what she was thinking about happened.
Aerith Gainsborough wrote:
I don't need to be told by character development, since I played the game and know Valtiel's purpose towards the God and Heather in Silent Hill 3.
I've played the game too, so your point being?
Ashes wrote:^ I'm not sure... I believe the purpose of the 'regular monsters' was to make Heather suffer more, and thus nurturing God. So just like Valtiel, they play a role in the process of birthing the God. Valtiel is just a little more important.
Claudia says some of the monsters came to witness the birth of God, but I think she was talking about specific ones (the scraper?). But I think you're right; the point of the others is to help fill her heart with hatred in order to nurture the God-foetus.
Ashes wrote:So it seems to me that either Valtiel and the other monsters are all 'mindless' and simply programmed to do their part in the process, OR they are all not... mindlessisch and consciously serve their greater purpose together.
If I remember correctly, the scraper and some of the other monsters are cult members who have been transfigured or whatever by Claudia, however I don't know if they're still capable of conscious thought.
Ashes wrote:Soulless-Shadow wrote:Prior to that, she could have been perfectly normal (well, as "normal" as one can be, given the circumstances surrounding her birth).
What do you mean? That while Heather's body was manifested in Otherworld, she was born naturally in the real world?
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If I'm reading your question right, then the answer is no. From what we saw of Heather's "birth", she was created by the Woman in White in the Otherworld. She wasn't "born", but "created". Out of what? *shrugs* Alessa's remains? Air?
I wouldn't have a clue. Either way there was nothing natural about it.