Yellow God?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » 26 Jan 2006

I haven't seen this discussed before.If it has,tell me where and lock this thread.I'm currently playing SH3 for the 2nd time and i'm at the chapel.The "creation"painting reffers to the Red God and the Yellow God(Lobsel Vith).We all know who the Red God is.But what about Lobsel Vith?Is there something more about him that we should know from the previous games or from the 4th one(which i have to admit i haven't finished)?

Post by **The Necronoir** » 26 Jan 2006

I've heard many people rail against this theory, but I maintain that the Red God is Pyramid Head, and that Yellow one Valtiel. Taking a distanced perspective of the entire series these are the two figures I automatically associate with those colours, and their roles within the Silent Hill games is fitting with demi-god status. I've yet to hear any concrete compelling evidence that this isn't a valid interpretation.

For those of you who will complain that Pyramid Head is a creature whose existence relies on Jame's personal mental state, I don't think this theory really contradicts it. Just because the red entity took to specific form of Pyramid Head for James doesn't mean that this is its eternal form, or that it couldn't appear to other people as other things, within its general capacity as punisher or executioner.

Post by **The Adversary** » 26 Jan 2006

If you examine the painting closely, you'll notice that a red pyramid thing is in the background, to the upper left side. Now, if you look even closer, you'll see that a young girl is holding God up, wearing a red dress. On the other side of God is a young girl in a yellow dress.

If the red pyramid thing were the red god, why would it be presented in two different forms in the same painting?, in two different places?, particularly when Valtiel is not seen in the form we have only ever seen it--from Silent Hill 3.

The red god, Xuchilbara, is Valtiel.

Lobsel Vith is the yellow god. There is no information about it, therefore it's next-to-impossible to come up with a plausible explanation for what entity it represents.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » 26 Jan 2006

It's a Hastur reference?

Post by **B5160-R** » 26 Jan 2006

^ I think Darkmage would agree with you.

I haven't read much Lovecraft - it is Lovecraftian, no? - so care to elaborate on what exactly this Hastur thing is? I know he's known as The King in Yellow, but that's about it.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » 26 Jan 2006

It is lovecraftian. The name Lobsel Vith is very similar in structure to some of the Great Old Ones, Yog-Sothoth and Shub Niggurath most notably. The King in Yellow is an avatar of Hastur. The main part of the Mythos that tells the most about Hastur involves a war between a city from the past, and a desolate city in the future. It reads kinda like a combination of Masque of the Red Death, and a synopsis of the Iliad. The story is eventually written and turned into a play by a madman according to the mythos, anyone who reads or sees this play goes insane. Hastur is thought to, in general, be the embodyment of madness itself; hinting that even saying his name would cause insanity.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » 27 Jan 2006

Hmm,so we don't know anything about him(besides name)...That makes me very curious.Anyway,i'm pretty sure we'll find out more about him in the future.
Btw,i've also heard that yellow symbolizes madness.

Post by **leodegrance** » 27 Jan 2006

Hmm . . . I believe that I saw a rumor some around here that the fifth game would deal with a man in an asylum or sanitarium, and the game would be played through flashbacks to his time in Silent Hill. If this rumor has some truth to it, and Lobsel Vith is indeed a god of madness, then it seems quite possibly that he may play a larger part in this installment.

Of course this could but nothing more than a rumor, but it would provide an opportunity to flesh this out.

Post by **amphreded** » 27 Jan 2006

I've also heard that rumour long ago (about SH5 being a man in an asylum) but I think it has been confirmed false, or hasn't it?

Can anyone explain what lovecraftian/hastur is? Sounds interesting. Is it a celtic myth or something?

Post by **leodegrance** » 27 Jan 2006

It's quite possible that it has been. I'm not really up on what actually is and is not known about the next game. It would provide a perfect opportunity to expand on Lobsel Vith if true, though.

Post by **The Necronoir** » 27 Jan 2006

If you examine the painting closely, you'll notice that a red pyramid thing is in the background, to the upper left side. Now, if you look even closer, you'll see that a young girl is holding God up, wearing a red dress. On the other side of God is a young girl in a yellow dress.

If the red pyramid thing were the red god, why would it be presented in two different forms in the same painting?, in two different places?, particularly when Valtiel is not seen in the form we have only ever seen it--from Silent Hill 3.

The red god, Xuchilbara, is Valtiel.

It has been some time since I played through this section, but I thought there were two separate paintings for the two separate deities. Regardless of which I can't understand your reasoning. You're saying that the red girl can't be Pyramid Head because there's another depiction of it in the same painting, but why does this mean that Valtiel can't be the yellow girl and that it's the red girl whos identity remains a mystery? Furthermore, why would Valtiel be the red god? We've never seen him associated with that colour.

Post by **The Adversary** » 27 Jan 2006

>I thought there were two separate paintings for the two separate deities.
Nope. Just Painting 4.Creation.

>why would Valtiel be the red god? We've never seen him associated with that colour.
Because Valtiel is responsible for the rebirth of God, and has the power to resurrect the dead. In Silent Hill 2, James conjures Xuchilbara, the red god, to resurrect his deceased wife. In Silent Hill 4: The Room, Walter Sullivan claims that "the red devil" is responsible for making him killing the Locane Siblings. The Red Devil, as we know, is what Jimmy Stone was referred by in the Order, and that he--along with George Rosten--snuck Valtiel into Walter's subconscious.

Note that whenever the word devil is associated by civilians, it is in reference to a god of the Order. Thus: Valtiel, called the Red Devil by Walter, becomes the Red God, Xuchilbara.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » 27 Jan 2006

If we asume that the Red God(PH) and Valtiel are the same thing,isn't it strange that their moves are very different?I know that the PH we know is a manifistation of James mind and may not be exactly the same as the cults Red God,and yes they share the same robe and gloves but their movements are very different.I always thought Pyramid Head to be the executioner of God and Valtiel the messenger.

Post by **The Adversary** » 27 Jan 2006

>If we asume that the Red God(PH) and Valtiel are the same thing
That would be an erroneous assumption, because the red pyramid thing is not the red god, as I outlined above.

Post by **D90** » 28 Jan 2006

Dude, more explaination, please.
We all know that you know what's going on, but you often only give tiny snippets of information, usually directed at a single comment, rather than explaining the whole thing.
Impart the wisdom. Impart.

I can see where he misunderstood you though. Red Devil = Walters name for Jimmy Stone, Red God = Valtiel. Yeah, got that bit.

But at the start, you said;

James conjures Xuchilbara, the red god, to resurrect his deceased wife.

And we/I/us two assume SH2 - Red - PH.
But then you say PH and Valtiel are two seperate entities.
So what did you mean? If the Red God is a part of SH2, and it's not PH, then what is it? And why does the fact that James is looking for it prove that it isnt PH? Or even that it is?
I just missed the relevance of the first comment entirely. It boggled me.

Impart. Please.

Post by **The Adversary** » 28 Jan 2006

>If the Red God is a part of SH2
The red god is Xuchilbara, as noted in Silent Hill 3's Chapel paintings. Xuchilbara is also noted in one other instance: as being the "author" of the Book of the Crimson Tome, which outlines the diety one must conjure in order to resurrect the deceased--the name is also mentioned in the Book of Lost Memories found in the Baldwin Mansion, as Xuchilpaba.

Valtiel, in Silent Hill 3, is--as aforementioned--responsible for the rebirth of God and the protection of Heather, the Daughter of God; if anything happens to her, Valtiel comes along & revives her.

>If the Red God is a part of SH2, and it's not PH, then what is it?
I've already stated this: Valtiel. Xuchilbara is only a part of the Rebirth ending--its presence is nowhere else but as the "old god"--the ones that "haven't left this place"--James is talking about to himself.

Post by **D90** » 28 Jan 2006

Makes sense.

Post by **Glazarus** » 28 Jan 2006

To adress Red Pyramid Head as Xuchilbara, is wrong, but the color red is very much inspired by Valtiel, because Red Pyramid Head was created with Valtiel in mind = Red. But he isn't the same being, PH is a subgod of the two main subgods, Lobsel Vith and Xuchilbara.

There isn't ANY theory on Lobsel Vith, so I lay out an assumption created out of the thin air... the thin air of Silent Hill that is...
* Lobsel Vith is "the town". Not a being to be seen, but the "entity of the town".
Underlying things like certain odd events that happens for no reason we see.
It may be responsible for making the unreality seem out of time and space.
Letting you hear and see things that have already occured... Some things show up to tell you something and do have importance to the story. Then what is making those things happen? Lobsel Vith...
Don't kick me in my ice cream cone, this theory is just a thought and does not have any proof or evidences... because there aren't any for any theory on Lobsel Vith.

Another theory is that Lobsel Vith is just TeamSilent themselfs, because they created the Town in the first place...

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » 28 Jan 2006

There isn't ANY theory on Lobsel Vith

Except the whole Hastur reference thing.

Not a being to be seen, but the "entity of the town".
Underlying things like certain odd events that happens for no reason we see.
It may be responsible for making the unreality seem out of time and space.
Letting you hear and see things that have already occured... Some things show up to tell you something and do have importance to the story, then what is making those things happen? Lobsel Vith...

That's kinda funny if you read the play "The King in Yellow" detailing the war between Yhtill (past) and Carcosa (future.)

Post by **Glazarus** » 28 Jan 2006

o?o?o?o?
Maybe I may be right about this?

Still, it's not any evidence, only a reference, but maybe Lobsel Vith IS Time and Space inside unreality? That it is the town and its time within the realm of the Gods = unreality (mist and darkness/otherworld).