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Kyou wrote: @ Krist.

Please don't get so emotional.
She wasn't and if you took the time to actually read anything she writes, you would see that real quick. I realize your new here, but I think your attitue needs to be improved just abit before you get yourself into a red zone. Just friendly advice. We love hearing what you have to say, unless the content is nothing for they a dolled up pissing fest.
Kyou wrote:Sure there are more people who think so too, you should respect that as a moderator
Once again that whole reading thing comes into play. Try going back and reading the 3 pages before your post and you'll see that there has been several opinions brought into this thread and none of them had the same tone as your does.
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Why would you actively antagonize a moderator, anyway? It's like joining the military and harassing your drill sergeant--you're not going to come out on top.

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Wow, good point Krist! I didn't even take notice of that until you pointed it out...
I liked that scene before, but now it just seems...nonsensical and unesessary.
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In a way, I agree with you about Brookhaven, but I would've liked to have a decision about either Brookhaven or going to Leonards house, and I agree that Alchemilla would've made more sense.

That said, I enjoyed the gameplay, I just wonder if they chose Brookhaven because it had a psychiatric ward and thought Leonard could be there? Forgive me if I'm wrong, I haven't played the game in about two years.
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Watchdog wrote: Douglas is a detective. He is not trained to subdue and arrest.
I'm pretty sure that Lost Memories says that Douglas is a retired cop.
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zombiejesus wrote:i still like it. but i must say the "ill go call an ambulance" line is like, the most idiotic thing ive ever heard lol.
haha, agreed.
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I think that the whole blonds have more fun thing was dumber. That and taking the name Cheryl again when Harry said it was a mistake calling Heather that in the first place.
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As for the bathtub, I always figured she was just trying it to see if a key or some shit came out. Same reason why she randomly collects walnuts and attempts to get sodas from broken vending machines and shit. She's becoming accustomed to the logic (or lack thereof) of the Otherworld.
Agreed. She's been going through a particularly intense nightmare. You do weird shit in a nightmare. And i think it's supposed to be a kind of a suspenseful moment, you just know she shouldn't turn the damn thing, and of course she does it. Also, makes you scared of faucets.

However, i'm not sure the dream feel is consistent throughout the game. Or Heather's reactions aren't very appropriate a lot of the time. Also, i agree that the characters' tendency to seek solitude throughout the game in the face of nightmarish apocalypse is very unreasonable.
i still like it. but i must say the "ill go call an ambulance" line is like, the most idiotic thing ive ever heard lol.
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KiramidHead wrote:
Watchdog wrote: Douglas is a detective. He is not trained to subdue and arrest.
I'm pretty sure that Lost Memories says that Douglas is a retired cop.
Can you find me a link or a quote to that?

>And i think it's supposed to be a kind of a suspenseful moment, you just know she shouldn't turn the damn thing, and of course she does it. Also, makes you scared of faucets.

I found this scene neither suspenseful nor did it make me afraid to turn my shower or sink on. If suspense was what they were going for, surely they'd have done a better job--like with any other suspenseful scene in the game that included creepy music or suggestions of something horrible waiting for you. A tub is not horrible, unless you hate cleaning yourself.
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>A tub is not horrible, unless you hate cleaning yourself.
Exactly. That's why my cat almost shat himself when watching that scene.
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Krist. wrote:
KiramidHead wrote:Can you find me a link or a quote to that?
Douglas Cartland
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A middle-aged private detective who handles missing person and personal conduct cases. He originally worked as a police detective but retired ten years ago. On that occasion, he and his wife were divorced."

The Book of Lost Memories, p. 66
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Updated and slightly revised, though a year later and my mind hasn't changed. :/
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Ow my eyes hurt from reading such short posts. Anyway I agree with Krist that the whole tub scene was a bit off. I never have it much thought honestly, just a sane world with people doing insane things in it. You could ask similar questions in certain circumstances in other games. Like "Why would James be examining a Teddy Bear in a hospital full of demon nurses?" or "WTF why is there a door that requires you to put 4 plates into certain slots in order to open a door instead of just a key?" Same with the whole "the door is jammed and I don't have anything in my inventory to break it down." Which could make the logic that "If room 302's door was jammed, then James could never enter." Of course that's kind of a stupid way to look at it, so I think I'll just.... go back to fighting clowns.

On the Dougles going to Leonards house and Heather going to the hospital I really have nothing new to add. The only thing otherwise I could notice is that the hospital is within walking distance of the inn and Leonards house is in an unkown location. Douglas may have thought since he has a car and there aren't any residential parts of the town nearby he could cover more ground than Heather could on foot. You gotta love plot weirdness, lol.
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>Why would James be examining a Teddy Bear in a hospital full of demon nurses?

Considering Mary's history with teddy bears I don't think it'd be unreasonable for him to examine it. I always got the impression that James touching the teddy bear was a sort of unconscious display of recognition, considering all that he suppressed about Mary.

>The only thing otherwise I could notice is that the hospital is within walking distance of the inn and Leonards house is in an unkown location.

That's true. Though I can just as easily see him letting Heather take his car (unless he thinks she's gonna go off herself in the lake) or, better still, them not splitting up in what Douglas says is "one screwed up town."

I... guess I should just let this go .____.
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^ Maybe you should, lol. I don't think there is any real explanation that can really make sense of the insanity this arises. As far as James and the teddy bear, what you say is possible... yet he got a nice prick in his finger either way, lol. About Douglas and Heather... well the whole thing really is one be conflict. On one hand if Douglas goes with Heather then that gets rid of the isolation feeling of Silent Hill and and hospital and kind of makes it an escort mission. On the other hand it would make sense because neither of them feel safe in the town; and if Douglas feels the town is really screwed up then he would want to stay with and protect Heather. So in that case Atmosphere and Story clash in an epic planet shattering battle. The developers had to choose one so they chose Atmosphere over Story.... which makes for the WTF factor of the whole story part. I say we just think Douglas was drunk when he left Heather alone to explain the whole thing... even though there was no indication of any kind alcohol was involved in any way.

Maybe we should focus on solving the mystery of the almight jammed door... it would be less of strain on everyone.
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>On one hand if Douglas goes with Heather then that gets rid of the isolation feeling of Silent Hill

The series already takes this apart on its own by giving you Maria and Eileen as direct companions, as well as visits by Cybil and Dahlia, Vincent and Claudia, whoever's outside your apartment in South Ashfield Heights, the victims (before they're victims), and Walter hounding you like a superfan wanting an autograph. Origins and Homecoming have their own share of companions and frequent interaction, and Shattered Memories has Harry making several (short-lived [lol double meaning]) friends.

I just... I understand what people mean when they say the sense of isolation in regards to Silent Hill, but I never personally felt it while playing this game. You're not cut off from anything but reality and the outside world -- the stretches of time when you're utterly alone, yes, that's isolation, but there's usually a character you run into during that time to break up said lonesomeness.

>I say we just think Douglas was drunk when he left Heather alone to explain the whole thing... even though there was no indication of any kind alcohol was involved in any way.

... I like this idea. Thumbs up!

>Maybe we should focus on solving the mystery of the almight jammed door... it would be less of strain on everyone.

/shrug I always thought that jammed doors were because there was nothing on the other side -- there was no need for a reality to be constructed beyond the shape of that door, so the town was being merciful and not making you open into an abyss.
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Post by mimee »

I dont get whats the hate on SH3 all over the place ;p some of you dont appreciate this game at all.

The graphic improvement from SH2 to Sh3 was Enormous - and the game takes you back to the dark setting and flash light - every area you visit is scary and creepy..

I seriously DONT understand what was missing in this game you guys didnt like ;p as a SH fan this game did really well IMO.
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If the best you can come up with, in terms of improvement, is graphics, you're really not helping your case. Especially since most of the complaints are story-based.
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mimee wrote:I dont get whats the hate on SH3 all over the place ;p some of you dont appreciate this game at all.

The graphic improvement from SH2 to Sh3 was Enormous - and the game takes you back to the dark setting and flash light - every area you visit is scary and creepy..

I seriously DONT understand what was missing in this game you guys didnt like ;p as a SH fan this game did really well IMO.
Yes, because graphics can totally make up for gaping lapses in storytelling. Absolutely. Indeed. Quite.

This isn't "hate," this is me pointing out flaws in a game. I'm.. not sure how you're incapable of seeing the difference, really.
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