Silent Hill Heaven

Everything on those pictures are what valtiel DOES NOT have. Mouth, Ears, ect.

Valtiel have mouth in back of his head

>Valtiel have mouth in back of his head
False.

C'mon now...
There are those figures even in the underground parts of some amusement park games like the spinning cups, even on the grass of the park.
They are all the same who appeared in SH1 and according to silent team, they represent the religion of SH, they are wrapped on ceremonial robes, as well as Valtiel is.

But the mouth smiling... it intrigued me so much (yes, it's smiling).

I agree that it's smiling definitely. Though I don't think it is Lisa, I mean it would fit in with the story and all, with but no. For all we know, Team Silent could have just used one of their first models of Lisa that they made for SH1. Could be why it looks like her, but I doubt it.

It'd be kinda nice if it were- just a brief feeling of familiarity, but meh. I don't think they're Lisa's. I think it's just them being creepy. Wouldn't you be a little perturbed if you came across a disembodied pair of lips? Or a random nose on the floor? They've got creatures without features, so how about features without creatures?

*Reads through for errors* Hey, I rhymed. Huh. Now where'd I put that gun...?

>Valtiel have mouth in back of his head
False.

Oh, very false, indeed. You may be mistaking those strange string things and the skin that seems to be pulled back for a mouth from certain angles, but I assure you, it isn't.

Back to my theory! LOL

I really want to hear some comments, I just threw it out there...

But there's no Eye figure. What do you make of that?

An art teacher of mine once said "the eye is the only part of the body which can recognize itself. To recognize the self is to be comforted." We then argued about hands being able to recognize themselves, but ultimately agreed that hands could be fooled by skin wrapped around sticks, provided they were warmed.

So, in the spirit of keeping the player uncomfortable as they played, they kept the hostile and strange features (mouths can bite you=hostile, ears can hear things you don't want to be heard by others and are really strange looking, and stretched figures could engulf and attack you). It's just like what they've done with the monsters- you recognize the figures as vaguely human, but distorted, so it disturbs you.

Here a picture to compare it looks ery similar to Lisa's but mirrored, and blooded (so its post-transformation)

So, after her "transformation", Lisa got braces (I assume they were put there by Valtiel, who works as a dentist while not actively encouraging the birth of God), which pleased her so tremendously that she smiles wide, forgetting all the torment and hell she's been through. Makes perfect sense.

JuriDawn wrote:So, after her "transformation", Lisa got braces (I assume they were put there by Valtiel, who works as a dentist while not actively encouraging the birth of God), which pleased her so tremendously that she smiles wide, forgetting all the torment and hell she's been through. Makes perfect sense.

I suppose your right, maybe they just used her model

I don't think they look similar. They're on opposite sides. One mouth is open wider than the other. One has braces.

Did anyone consider that these images might just be there to freak you out? Don't get me wrong, I'd like to think there's a deeper meaning to everything we see in these games... but it is a distinct possibility that they are there simply to enhance the mood...

Yeah, they look different. there's another smiling pic but I can't find the texture right now.

Ah, found them:


Braces pic is in the room with valtiel and the glass.

First of all.. Some of you may wonder why I'm going through these old, old posts..
I got SH3 maybe a year after I got SH4: The Room and as of lately I've been getting into it.

Second of all.. These posts include unmarked spoilers, not that it's gonna bother anyone.

Anonymous wrote:During the Memory of Alessa fight, pay close attention to the carousal, or rather what's inside. You can see fire, and you can see the fire burning what appears to be a person. It's in the same position as the follower of Valtiel bodies, except this one is not wearing a robe, and you can see the muscle exposed.

A burning sacrifice, a wicker man.
I think this one's got more to it than just one meaning.

First reference: The 'wicker man' is clearly 'trapped' inside the carousel,
just like Alessa was; burning & isolated into her own body and suffering.

Second reference: In the Alternate Midwich Elementary, you can see a
burning sacrifice in the middle of the hall where you meet the boss.

NOTE: It was said in the Book of Lost Memories (Alt. Brookhaven),
that only the 'pure' people were allowed to be sacrificed this way.

I think I did have a third reference, but I forgot it.

I agree with Biomechanical, it has a lot to do with birth and birthing of god, and how heather is mother and stuff like that, most likely these things represent vagina/birthing canals...

Can't we just examine the model skins of the characters to determine whose ear that is. . . ? It's undoubtedly Heather's, but I can't tell from here.

where in the game is this shown? I have to play it again but if its in the cutscenes... youtube?

The Hilltop Building Center has a very clear shot of it once it turns over to the otherside -- I think right after you burn the portrait and climb through the hidden door. It's also present in the Hospital's otherside, but not as easy to see.

asphyxia_82 wrote:where in the game is this shown? I have to play it again but if its in the cutscenes... youtube?

As Krist said, some of the best shots are right when Hilltop changes to the Otherworld. The braces image is hard to see because it is behind foggy glass in the hospital. There are several of the mouth images in otherworld hilltop center though.

it could be lisa... theres a cutscene of lisa with her head in her hands in one part no?