They look like monsters to you?

Post by **Bowl Cat XL** » 30 Aug 2009

I searched, and didn't see a thread discussing the theory I had regarding Vincent's "joke". My apologies if a thread with this very same idea exists.

Remember when Vincent talked about how he didn't fear the otherword and the creatures residing in it? Well, I thought about it some, and if he doesn't view the creatures in Silent Hill as monsters, then wouldn't he see them in a different light? What i'm trying to say is maybe Vincent considers the monsters as an object of fascination, not horror.

Post by **B5160-R** » 30 Aug 2009

What Vincent meant with his joke was that the Scrapers and Missonaries are real people (cultists willing to make a sacrifice of themselves), but look like monsters to Heather. -- http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17045

Post by **The Adversary** » 30 Aug 2009

To add: Vincent doesn't see the monsters Heather doesâ€”only the "transfigured humans."

Post by **Bowl Cat XL** » 30 Aug 2009

B5160-R wrote:What Vincent meant with his joke was that the Scrapers and Missonaries are real people (cultists willing to make a sacrifice of themselves), but look like monsters to Heather. -- http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17045

Yes, I am aware of Scrapers and the Missionary being cultists, I was referring to the monsters that weren't transfigured. Sorry for any confusion.

EDIT: So Vincent doesn't see any monsters around Silent Hill?

Post by **Deadbolt** » 30 Aug 2009

No, of course not. They're not his demons, so why would he?

Post by **Arsonist** » 30 Aug 2009

No, of course not. They're not his demons, so why would he?

'Cause collective otherworld is nothing new?

Post by **Bowl Cat XL** » 30 Aug 2009

Arsonist wrote:
No, of course not. They're not his demons, so why would he?
'Cause collective otherworld is nothing new?

Erm... maybe i'm just not looking that much into your post, but could you word that differently? Sorry.

Post by **Arsonist** » 30 Aug 2009

Well, it's not uncommon for everyone to see the same thing. They did in the original SH, in SH4, in SHO Alessa and Travis shared the otherworld, and in SHH everyone is, again seeing the same thing. It's quite possible that this is the case in SH3, however, this was never elaborated upon.

Post by **Bowl Cat XL** » 31 Aug 2009

Arsonist wrote:Well, it's not uncommon for everyone to see the same thing. They did in the original SH, in SH4, in SHO Alessa and Travis shared the otherworld, and in SHH everyone is, again seeing the same thing. It's quite possible that this is the case in SH3, however, this was never elaborated upon.

Thanks, and that's what I've assumed to be true. But, because Team Silent didn't have Vincent mention them as anything other than "they", this theory could be false. Although I don't know who and/or what he could've been referring to then.

Post by **Deadbolt** » 31 Aug 2009

'Cause collective otherworld is nothing new?

I'm aware, but just because Douglas saw them doesn't mean Vincent does. It's implied Claudia either doesn't see the conjured monsters, or sees them as angels or something.

Post by **alone in the town** » 31 Aug 2009

Or, as I've stated before, he uses 'monster' in a pejorative sense rather than literal, as in, he sees exactly what Heather sees, but he considers them fascinating specimens instead of hideous hellbeasts. It is likely, after all, that they make no effort to attack him.

Post by **-Alligator-** » 31 Aug 2009

B5160-R wrote:What Vincent meant with his joke was that the Scrapers and Missonaries are real people (cultists willing to make a sacrifice of themselves), but look like monsters to Heather. -- http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17045

Leonard is also a real person, isn't he?

Post by **Bowl Cat XL** » 31 Aug 2009

alone in the town wrote:Or, as I've stated before, he uses 'monster' in a pejorative sense rather than literal, as in, he sees exactly what Heather sees, but he considers them fascinating specimens instead of hideous hellbeasts. It is likely, after all, that they make no effort to attack him.

That is the idea I had, but explained alot more. Or your idea, because you mentioned that you've talked about this before. With so many theories in this forum, it's unlikely that any of my other ideas are original (not that that's a bad thing!

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Post by **Arsonist** » 31 Aug 2009

Or, as I've stated before, he uses 'monster' in a pejorative sense rather than literal, as in, he sees exactly what Heather sees, but he considers them fascinating specimens instead of hideous hellbeasts. It is likely, after all, that they make no effort to attack him.

This!

They're programmed from Alessa's desire to destroy herself, so it would make sense for them to only lash out at her.

Alternative idea could be that Heather and Claudia have separate otherworlds, and the two passersby Douglas and Vincent, got sucked into to the world of which ever person they were close to. Douglas into Heather's, Vincent into Claudia's.

And considering Claudia thinks the otherworld is god's work and that god is benevolent, she could easily be seeing angels, bunnies and shit like that.

Post by **Bowl Cat XL** » 31 Aug 2009

Arsonist wrote:
Or, as I've stated before, he uses 'monster' in a pejorative sense rather than literal, as in, he sees exactly what Heather sees, but he considers them fascinating specimens instead of hideous hellbeasts. It is likely, after all, that they make no effort to attack him.
This!

They're programmed from Alessa's desire to destroy herself, so it would make sense for them to only lash out at her.

Alternative idea could be that Heather and Claudia have separate otherworlds, and the two passersby Douglas and Vincent, got sucked into to the world of which ever person they were close to. Douglas into Heather's, Vincent into Claudia's.

And considering Claudia thinks the otherworld is god's work and that god is benevolent, she could easily be seeing angels, bunnies and shit like that.

Hm, I like your alternative. Makes sense, if you consider what they each say, i.e. Douglas' question (asking Heather if she's been seeing monsters), and Vincent's rant about the otherworld.

Post by **Arsonist** » 02 Sep 2009

Hm, I like your alternative. Makes sense, if you consider what they each say, i.e. Douglas' question (asking Heather if she's been seeing monsters), and Vincent's rant about the otherworld.

Right, but there's one problem with it. In the end, Vincent acknowledges the nightmarish nature of the otherworld. "Although, I admit that this atrocious scenery is all yours" "Isn't this all nothing more the your own, personal nightmare"

Post by **Deadbolt** » 02 Sep 2009

There's, of course, always the possibility that how Vincent/Claudia/Whoever seems the Otherworld greatly altered once Heather entered the church, what with Nowhere and all.

Post by **Mephisto** » 03 Sep 2009

"They look like monsters to you?"

Yes.

Post by **Bowl Cat XL** » 04 Sep 2009

Arsonist wrote:
Hm, I like your alternative. Makes sense, if you consider what they each say, i.e. Douglas' question (asking Heather if she's been seeing monsters), and Vincent's rant about the otherworld.
Right, but there's one problem with it. In the end, Vincent acknowledges the nightmarish nature of the otherworld. "Although, I admit that this atrocious scenery is all yours" "Isn't this all nothing more the your own, personal nightmare"

Yes, that is true. But if Heather's and Claudia each had their own respective otherworlds, than wouldn't the "atrocious scenery" still be rampant in Claudia's?

Post by **Kampfgruppe Haus** » 15 Sep 2009

Maybe Claudia and Vincent are seeing the exact same thing as Heather, but since they're both batshit crazy, they just interpret it differently.