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- DamienPales
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It would seem that Alessa held some sway on Lisa the entire time. Otherwise she should have been able to leave the Other world like Harry. Much like most of the monsters being manifestations of some kind, I too believe that Lisa in this form is a form that was created by Alessa.
I came to this conclusion, because the Lisa in Origins is subtly different. True it's years before 1, but she still doesn't seem quite the same person to me.
Regardless, the Lisa in 1 was doomed by the time we met her. I believe in that final seen with her before Harry runs away, that Lisa says something along the lines of "...I'm just like them."
As for the reason for making her, well I believe it really was because she liked her. A comforting face in a world of people trying to use and abuse her.
I came to this conclusion, because the Lisa in Origins is subtly different. True it's years before 1, but she still doesn't seem quite the same person to me.
Regardless, the Lisa in 1 was doomed by the time we met her. I believe in that final seen with her before Harry runs away, that Lisa says something along the lines of "...I'm just like them."
As for the reason for making her, well I believe it really was because she liked her. A comforting face in a world of people trying to use and abuse her.
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It's Cheryl, the other half of Alessa's soul, restored to her true self. You find out during the final scene before the last boss.I thought the "Alessa" you see running around Silent Hill trying to make the seals, was a sort of psychic or astral projection of the burnt Alessa you see in the wheelchair.
The camps are divided on this one.Ditto for the one Harry almost hits at the beginning of the game.
I believe that Harry was officially dreaming by that point. The influence of Alessa took over his mind through the Otherworld, and everything that happened from the crash to when Harry wakes up in the cafe was just a dream.
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As far as Alessa goes, imo (which can differ from yours, don't get all worked up) that first one you see in the car is an astral projection of Alessa before the burn.
The young one at the very start was Cheryl, now attuned to Alessa, making an attempt to get back to her.
Fast forward to the end and we do indeed see two people, the burned Alessa in the chair, and the grown version of her unburned self that was placing the seals around town. I think Pales may have a point as to Cheryl at some point joining back together.
However, I think that this joining simply allowed her access to Alessa's remaining powers and allowed her to take on the form of the astral projection from the start of the game, thus allowing her to stay herself so she could place seals around the town, but still connected so she could access her old power.
At the end of the game it shows the two of them merging into the glowing woman entity, so I'm pretty sure at some point the two DID in fact merge, but the older unburned one I believe is still PARTIALLY Cheryl.
Of course I could be wrong, but even so it's just my interpretation of events.
The young one at the very start was Cheryl, now attuned to Alessa, making an attempt to get back to her.
Fast forward to the end and we do indeed see two people, the burned Alessa in the chair, and the grown version of her unburned self that was placing the seals around town. I think Pales may have a point as to Cheryl at some point joining back together.
However, I think that this joining simply allowed her access to Alessa's remaining powers and allowed her to take on the form of the astral projection from the start of the game, thus allowing her to stay herself so she could place seals around the town, but still connected so she could access her old power.
At the end of the game it shows the two of them merging into the glowing woman entity, so I'm pretty sure at some point the two DID in fact merge, but the older unburned one I believe is still PARTIALLY Cheryl.
Of course I could be wrong, but even so it's just my interpretation of events.
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I'm with you, buddy!Maybe Alessa was enough powerful for know that Lisa would have a huge fandom so she placed her at the hospital for increase the game sales!!
But, seriously, wasn't Lisa the nurse assigned to care for Alessa? I figured she just got caught up in all the hell. And no one is really dead or alive in Silent Hill. Lisa comes back at the end, in the Good ending at least, to drag Kaufman back down.
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Wait, when did you change your stance, Tom? As far as I knew you were of the mind that Lisa died anywhere from hours before to right at the start of the game...
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So, wait? Is the black haired model nurse supposed to be Lisa as well? I am too lazy to find the video for it, but that wouldn't look like her either. lol.
I always thought of Lisa as a real person, but if I ever get to play the original game again, I will try to see the other perspective. You never know quite what is real and what isn't the first time aorund.
I always thought of Lisa as a real person, but if I ever get to play the original game again, I will try to see the other perspective. You never know quite what is real and what isn't the first time aorund.
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>when did you change your stance, Tom?
I don't recall. Sometime when I realized how things didn't add up w/ Lisa already being dead. She does say, after all, that she's still alive.
>Is the black haired model nurse supposed to be Lisa as well?
The nurse w/ green shoes, being hanged by Valtiel, in Brookhaven Hospital's "transitionary" world, is Lisa.
I don't recall. Sometime when I realized how things didn't add up w/ Lisa already being dead. She does say, after all, that she's still alive.
>Is the black haired model nurse supposed to be Lisa as well?
The nurse w/ green shoes, being hanged by Valtiel, in Brookhaven Hospital's "transitionary" world, is Lisa.
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lol. Only Lisa and I call him that... although there is no proof of that. I'll refer to him as the Good Doctor from now on so things become less confusing... wait...
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Lisa is dead. She was killed by Kauffman at some point before SH1. The "Lisa" we see at Alchemilla is part of Alessa´s mental construct of the hospital. Which is why she can´t leave it no matter what.
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That makes sense, but maybe she really is Lisa, not just a construct, because she seems too confused to be just Alessa's figment.Son_of_Kauffman wrote:Lisa is dead. She was killed by Kauffman at some point before SH1. The "Lisa" we see at Alchemilla is part of Alessa´s mental construct of the hospital. Which is why she can´t leave it no matter what.
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>she's a post-mortem manifestation of Lisa's personality that's being maintained and influenced by Alessa.
No she's not. And there's absolutely no evidence to suggest as such.
No she's not. And there's absolutely no evidence to suggest as such.
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