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 Post subject: Silver and Gold pipes?

Hello everyone.
I just had to ask about the silver and gold pipes than can be obtained from a strange woman (fairy?) in the sewer.
I found this by accident actually some time ago but I havent seen any topics posted on the subject, maybe I missed them somehow when SHH was hacked.
Anyways, does anyone have any info as to what this means?
I think it is just a weird joke but then again, who knows.
It is very similar to Zelda - A Link to the Past, where you throw items into a secret pond and a fairy appears and the same thing happens, if you are truthful about what you dropped then you will end up with upgraded items.
Its just such a strange thing and it feels so out of place in the realm of Silent Hill.
Not to mention that after you answer correctly, she says something like "finally, a truthful honest man", or something similar to that.
Heather is not a man obviously and the person playing the game could be a guy or girl so im guessing that Konami assumed that it would be mostly guys playing the game?
But thats not a big deal, I just want to know what is the purpose of the two pipes.
Is this based off a myth of some kind or is it just a joke?
The other similarity to Zelda - ALTTP, is that you can also go to another world that is the "evil" version so to speak, of the normal real world.


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An old myth, indeed.

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I saw a book in Toys-R-Us (literary capital of the world, I know) with a collection of folktales and whatnot for kinds and they had a story called "The Honest Lumberjack" or something like that and the story was pretty much the same as that. So I reckon it's based off that tale (well, not that one specifically since the lumberjack was a beaver).

P.S. 'Man' could be a reference to the line in the story itself or 'man' as in a member of mankind

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Thanks for pointing that out Adversary and Artemis.
Its weird though because I have actually read many folk tales and myths and legends and things like that and never came across something like this, maybe im not as studious as I thought?
But of course the story is a reflection on common sense things, be honest and you will get your just rewards in the end, etc etc.
But I still dont know why this was included in Silent Hill 3, especially since it is something most players will overlook and may never find.
But I guess stranger things have happened, like the dog ending in SH 2.


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Silent Hill 3 has a huge array of fairytale/myth references.
Even the toilet thing is based off of a japanese urban legend. We see that one in 2, 3 and 4.
One of my many loves for the series. So many hints.


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Yeah thats a good point Robbie.
After all, the only way to kill the Glutton creature, for example, is by reading the story it came from, which was a fairytale that Heather remembered reading as a child.
It is good to know that the silver pipe can be used to kill werewolves and vampires.
Sadly, I have yet to find one in the game.
Who knows, maybe Vincent......ah, nevermind. :lol:


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Exactly.


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According to some, it comes from a little French story written by Jean Lafontaine "Le bûcheron et Mercure" (The woodman and Mercury) where a woodman looses his axe. Then Mercury appear and tells him "Did you lost this golden axe or this silver axe?". The woodman says none and is rewarded with the 2 axes.

Thus the morality of always telling the truth to be rewarded.

Since SH3 is also full of Literature references, it wouldn't be odd.


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Except if I remember correctly there was another man that found out about the pond, and threw something in, and demanded the Gold one. Or something. She wound up murdering him instead. I think I read that somewhere...

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I thought it was some sick joke Konami was making...

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Even the toilet thing is based off of a japanese urban legend.

What toilte and what is the myth?

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The toilets the characters have/try to reach into. James pulls out a wallet in SH2, Heather makes a joke about it in SH3, and Henry isn't brave enough in 4.

The legend goes, that if you get too close you'll be sucked in, or if you reach your hand in, you'll be pulled in.
Scares the hell outta japanese kids.
That's one of the ways they teach them proper restroom manners. Fucked up, but it works.


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^I use to be afriad of that when I was little.I thought that there was a monster in it that would get me at night,so I would turn the light on in the night when I would go to the bathroom.Still do.

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Remember what I said about spam? .. Yeah.
I don't mean to be rude or a bitch, or anything like that, but please go to the link I gave you in the Moderator's Challenge thread and read the No Spam part again.

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Right sorry.Uh about the gold and silver pipe...........oh,does it lower your score to just have it or do you have to use it ?

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That's a good question! .. But I don't know. Darn. I would think it would only add to it, but maybe I'm wrong. My knowledge about those things is very limited, I'm sorry to say.

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No, it doesn't help you any, it's just cool to have. An extra.
The damage is no greater than the regular pipe.


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By using the Gold & Silver Pipes, it lowers your score. Attaining them raises it.

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It's one of Aesop's fables. Something to the tune of:

Once there was a poor woodsman who was cutting trees when his axe slipped and flew into a pond. In desperation he prayed to Mercury, the messanger of the gods. And Mercury did in fact show up.
"Please, fetch my axe!" the man said. "It is the only way I can support my family!"

And Mercury swam to the bottom of the lake and fetched a shining golden axe and asked the man if it was his. The man, said no. Mercury dove again and fetched a beautiful silver pipe. "My axe is just a plain iron axe with a wooden handle." So Mercury fetched the plain axe. "That's my axe!" cried out the man in joy.

But instead of giving his axe back, Mercury gave him all three. When the man asked why, Mercury said "Most men would have been tempted by the valuable gold and silver axes, but you were honest. The gods reward that."

Well, the woodsman became very rich thanks to those axes and when his friends asked him how he told them about it. And they all went into the woods and threw their axes into that lake. And Mercury did come and when he fetched the golden axe, they all said "Yes! That's mine!" But instead of getting a fabulous gold axe, they got a good whack over the head with it and a good lesson.

As for the other fairy tale about the glutton, it's probably made up by Konami.

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the woodsman story also appears in the dot hack series (both games and anime) as a little raindrop like fairy who asks about the gold and silver axes.


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