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 Post subject: Questions Regarding Some Paintings (Spoilers)
     
         
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Who are the three female figures in the Church's mosiacs? (edit: the figure on the left is male, thanks the Adversary for correction)

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Are they God, Red God, and the Yellow God? God, Incubus, Mother of God? Can someone enlighten me? To me, the right window looks like a figure of woman holding a baby, so I assume it's Mother of God.

And who's St. Nicolas? Are there any texts in the game that talk about him? (it's been a while since I play SH3)

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We know about St. Alessa and a bit about St. Jennifer (Jennifer Carol, I assume). But what else do we know about St. Jennifer from in game?

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>Who are the three female figures in the Church's mosiacs?
Two females and one male. Notice how the male on the left is holding a serpent? And the woman to the right is holding a reed? These are the two people responsible for birthing God according to The Order's beliefs.

I'll respond about the others later.

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Thanks, man. Yeah it's male once I zoom in the picture to see. I thought it was a woman figure with short hair.
So those two figures represent The Sect of the Lord of Serpents and Reeds? And the one in the middle is "Creator of Paradise"? What do Serpents and Reed symbolize again?

Under the painting of St. Jennifer, it says "Unwavering Faith Under Death's Blade"
Under the painting of St. Nicholas, it says "Miraculous Hands, a Doctor of God"
Under the painting of St. Alessa, it says "Mother of God, Daughter of God"

From that, I assume that St. Nicholas role was someone who resurrected God from death? Furthermore, he's featured in the picture "Faith", and it says:

So God hasn't been lost.
We must offer our prayers and
not forget our faith.
We wait in hope for the day when
the path to Paradise will be opened.


Am I on the right track?

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St. Nicholas reminds me of Valtiel, with the 'Doctor of god' title for him.

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>So those two figures represent The Sect of the Lord of Serpents and Reeds?
Well, there is no Sect of the Lord of Serpents and Reeds, this is just the Chapel of the Sect of the Holy Woman--where Dahlia & Claudia have preached. If you examine the stain'd-glass windows, Heather will mention that she--no, Alessa--used to pray to God here, but her prayers were never answered. These are the figures seen in Painting 1.Creation on the Chapel walls.

St. Jennifer is, I believe, the sacrifice required for the first attempt at birthing of God, much like Vincent is for this occurrence. The fact that she's been venerated by the townsfolk enough to be given a statue in her name at Rosewater Park indicates her death was important to some people. And the title of the painting--"Unwavering Faith Under Death's Blade"--seems to suggest that even more.

St. Nicholas, on the other hand, seems to be more involved in the birthing rite, much like Claudia is.

The three are a parable for what is occurring at the end of Silent Hill 3: notice the opening in Faith that leads to the Uterus, identical to the one seen in the altar-room; the same as where Valtiel crawls out of to snatch Claudia, the Mother of God to-be.

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Nice theory, are you suggesting the 2 rituals spoken of in the Lost Memories book are 'meant' to be connected? So if she was a ritual, St. Jennifer, Does that mean the 'human' Pyramid Head executioners back in 1880's could have been part of the cult? There's certainly enough evidence in Sh2 to drop a hint at this. Would also explain the reason 'why' they donned Valtiel's appearance.

Maybe a sect of the cult could have even been based there, like the 'wish house' idea. Children were kept in Wish House, and they were raised to try and birth god. Maybe the prisoners were used for rituals to try and birth god, one of the ways to execute in the prison is the same as the Ritual which shows loyalty to God.

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Nice theory, are you suggesting the 2 rituals spoken of in the Lost Memories book are 'meant' to be connected? So if she was a ritual, St. Jennifer, Does that mean the 'human' Pyramid Head executioners back in 1880's could have been part of the cult? There's certainly enough evidence in Sh2 to drop a hint at this. Would also explain the reason 'why' they donned Valtiel's appearance.

Maybe a sect of the cult could have even been based there, like the 'wish house' idea. Children were kept in Wish House, and they were raised to try and birth god. Maybe the prisoners were used for rituals to try and birth god, one of the ways to execute in the prison is the same as the Ritual which shows loyalty to God.


Thats interesting.... that would make sence that the cult could have used the prisoners for rituals...it would have been alot easier to cover up then the children....and no one would care if criminals die....huh yea i want to no if it is possible ....

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>Nice theory, are you suggesting the 2 rituals spoken of in the Lost Memories book are 'meant' to be connected?
No. The Ritual of the Resurrection of the Deceased is entirely different from the Birthing Ritual. The Book of Lost Memory is essentially a history book, detailing various rituals & beliefs of the natives, old & new.

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I should have made myself more clear; I wasent talking about Ritual of the Resurrection of the Deceased. By that your reffering to the Crimson ceremony? Im not sure what you mean. I was talking about these two.

Book: Lost Memories

"Offering prayers, pierce a man's
chest with a copper stake
. Drench
the altar in the blood which spouts
red from the heart, to praise and to
show loyalty unto God."

In another sacrificial rite mentioned
in the same book, the victim is
burned alive.


This was a more dignified ceremony
in which prisoners and sinners were
not allowed to participate. Only the
clergy could be sacrificed.


And i was asking if you think they were both 'meant' to be part of the same ritual, rather than them being told as seperate rites.

More for the possablity that the prison was cult operated. ''which prisoners and sinners were
not allowed to participate
.'' This could mean that prisoners have infact been used for rituals.

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>By that your reffering to the Crimson ceremony?
Well, the Ritual of the Resurrection is also mentioned in The Book of Lost Memory. Sorry for the confusion.

But yes, I believe it's likely that both instances are in reference to the same ritual: a Birthing Rite. Thus why Alessa, who was raised to be a Priestess of the Order, was burned alive, and again why Vincent, a Priest of the Order, was exsanguinated onto the Altar.

As for the prisoners: It seems to me that the Order simply used prisoners for some of the less-ceremonial rituals because they could. If they were to use a prisoner for something as important as God's birth, that, to me, would be an insult to the diety.

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Do you think the executioners (with Pyramid shaped hoods) held Copper stakes in the old days, disguising sacrifices with war executions? I.e. executing war prisoners for a religious incentive?

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GOOD POINT .... THAT DOES MAKE SENSE but i still kinda agree wit adversary ..

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>Do you think the executioners held Copper stakes in the old days
No, otherwise they'd have been depicted as such in Misty Days, Remains of Judgment.

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