why is valtiel always harassing nurses?

Post by **SHF** » 02 Apr 2010

It makes sense.

Website · Post by **Edea** » 03 Apr 2010

Excuse me if this has already been said... I'm not looking thru all the replies.

I think the Valtiel attacking the Fukuro lady (the nurse) is a metaphor for Lisa's spirit being tortured in the otherworld. A hint from Lost Memories.

Post by **The Adversary** » 03 Apr 2010

Only in one instance: the transition period in the hospital, when Heather is climbing the ladderâ€”that nurse is Lisa Garland. The others throughout the game are not. They're the ones being prepared for metempsychosis.

Post by **SHF** » 03 Apr 2010

hes tormenting/killing the other nurses becuase hes making sure heather is safe, so she can birth god. Thats his job.

Post by **The Adversary** » 03 Apr 2010

Valtiel is preparing them for metempsychosis. Fact.

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 03 Apr 2010

Supported by the fact that Valtiel never "kills" anything to protect Heather; that's infact antithetical to God's growth.

Post by **SHF** » 04 Apr 2010

MMY wrote:Valtiel is preparing for them metempsychosis. Fact.

it seems that he doesnt kill any nurses, is because hes busy strangling them. Why doesnt he kill them ? becuase they do not exist. In essence hes " strangling" heather/cheryl/alessas fear and anxieties. He's aiding heather by relieving her of stress, therefore she can better birth god.
The monsters dont exist, so they cant be killed. ( dont know about the Missionaries, as they seem to be hallucinated disfigurements of claudias henchmen, as she states.) Even this is sketchy.

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 04 Apr 2010

Er, of course the monsters exist. They're right there.

He's not killing them because he's not trying to kill them. It's not his job.

Why do you keep challenging the statements of the creators?

Post by **JuriDawn** » 04 Apr 2010

It'd be nice if some of you could actually post the relevant quotes when the person you're trying to convince can't find them. . .

From page 84, "The Magician" (italics added for emphasis):

Translated Memories wrote:Valtiel

A mysterious creature that is always lurking near Heather. What is his true
purpose?

. . . he has a unique purpose, a role he plays which enters into the game.

. . . he is the one responsible for resurrecting her many times over. Additionally, the valve handle that Valtiel turns with his left hand represents the idea
that "God can be reborn any number of times," which can be thought of as having significance to the basis of the sect's doctrine.

From page 97, "The Wheel of Fortune":

Translated Memories wrote:Valtiel, who drags Heather away, is an angel that governs the cycle of rebirth

And here Valtiel's unique (ie. singular) purpose is spelled out. So if Valtiel is all about rebirth, and he is seen interacting with seemingly lifeless monsters/manifestations, what's the most logical conclusion?

helldescent: Claudia tells us that the pain and suffering Heather experiences actually nurtures the god inside her, so protecting Heather from harm would actually slow or even prevent the god's birth. In fact, even the creation myth of the Order states that God was born from suffering. While Translated Memories does state that Valtiel is protecting "the mother," it's unlikely that he means to prevent any attacks. If that's his "unique purpose" then he's failing horribly. Valtiel is protecting Heather from death, not from harm. If Heather dies, Valtiel will drag her offscreen and revive her, therefore he has no reason to intervene if she's still alive.

Post by **SHF** » 04 Apr 2010

. . . he is the one responsible for resurrecting her many times over. Additionally, the valve handle that Valtiel turns with his left hand represents the idea
that "God can be reborn any number of times," which can be thought of as having significance to the basis of the sect's doctrine.[/quote]

From page 97, "The Wheel of Fortune":

Translated Memories wrote:Valtiel, who drags Heather away, is an angel that governs the cycle of rebirth

And here Valtiel's unique (ie. singular) purpose is spelled out. So if Valtiel is all about rebirth, and he is seen interacting with seemingly lifeless monsters/manifestations, what's the most logical conclusion?

So hes resurrecting heathers enemies so they can hurt her in order to birth god?
If im understanding this, causing heather pain ( e.g; when claudia has her father killed) this is to birth god faster?

Post by **AuraTwilight** » 04 Apr 2010

Yes, that is indeed correct. And Valtiel's interactions with the monsters is proof, then, that he's resurrecting and/or reincarnating them, too. It's basically all Valtiel does.

Post by **SHF** » 04 Apr 2010

Wow. thats weird, but i get it. Is he seen strangling any other kinds of creatures?

Post by **The Adversary** » 04 Apr 2010

Valtiel isn't strangling the monsters. . . .

Post by **SHF** » 04 Apr 2010

Youve read in lost memories: silent hill chronicle that valtiel is doing something else?
From what ive read, he is an observer, and rebirther.

Post by **The Adversary** » 04 Apr 2010

You don't need a book to see Valtiel isn't strangling anything: If you look at what it's doing, you can plainly see it holding the creatures by the legs. You can't strangle something by its legs.

Post by **SHF** » 04 Apr 2010

So hes preparing them for reincarnation by dangling them from their legs?
Metempsychosis- transmigration of one's soul.
I dont understand why he needs to do that with the creatures/nurses..

Post by **The Adversary** » 04 Apr 2010

Humans can't comprehend how metempsychosis works in any belief system's afterlife. The same can be said about Valtiel's method.

Post by **SHF** » 04 Apr 2010

So its really just a mystery how its done/how he does it ? No proof?

Post by **The Adversary** » 04 Apr 2010

How am I, or anyone, supposed to prove how Valtiel prepares the creatures for metempsychosis? All we need to know is what it's doingâ€”and we already know that.

SilentHillSurvivor · Post by **SilentHillSurvivor** » 05 Apr 2010

He likes their hawt bewbs.