Posted: 29 Jul 2008
If not omnipotent, then how goes god change the enviroment into the otherworld? I mean where does her power stop?
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>because they are the beings closest to XuchilpabaI wrote:The Seal of Metatron was only given a name; it is not a representative of the deity. It could be called The Seal of Blueberry Muffins and it would have the same potency--albeit a more delicious potency. Remember: Its real name is the Virun VII Crest--it is only referred to as the Seal of Metatron, and that doesn't change the fact that it's only a name.
God doesn't change the Otherworld's environment, human minds do, and we're anything but omnipotent.If not omnipotent, then how goes god change the enviroment into the otherworld? I mean where does her power stop?
I got that. I am having a problem putting my question the right way, I guess what I am trying to ask is why do they call it the Seal of Metatron if it only refers to powers like the powers of Metatron? Why not give it a different name, a name of an angel of their own faith, instead of an angel of the Christian faith? I understand that the Oreder is not real, but the developers named the seal, why name it after a Christian angel with a specific duty when they could have made something else up?Why not create a new name, like the angel Bob, who is the closest to god, and say that the the Seal of Bob uses the powers that Bob has, but is not the same thing as Bob? The same thing with the Mark of Samael, shouldn't they have anticipated that people where bound to get confused and think that the Incubus was a demon (Samael)? Did they just assume that people would be smart enough to understand that it was not the same thing?Mockingbird wrote: No. The Virun VII Crest is nicknamed after the power of Metatron. It has nothing to do w/ Metatron/Samael, only a reference to the angel's power.
The power of an angel is not the same thing as the angel itself. You have to learn to differentiate if you want to understand. I went over this w/ lain of the wired. The exact same thing.
Ok, I get that as well. The Crest is not giving Alessa powers to destroy god, but amplifying the powers she already had and intended to...what? She is using the same source of power that Valtiel is using to ensure god's birth, correct? That is what you mean by calling it a "Neutral Source". The power of the Virun VII Crest is nuetral, only given direction by it's user. When Valtiel uses it ,he/it (not sure if it has a sex) uses it for the birth of god and when Alessa uses it, she uses it as a destructive force, to essentially destroy herself to keep the god within her from being born.Mockingbird wrote: Because the Virun VII Crest isn't using the power of Valtiel to destroy god. It's amplifying the prestidigitator's own power.
I though you said that Metatron=Valtiel, and the Seal of Metatron/Virun VII Crest was a nuetral source, so where am I going wrong?Mockingbird wrote: >She is using the same source of power that Valtiel is using to ensure god's birth, correct?
No.
But it is the "true name" of Valtiel. Where does Valtiel gain his strength, or am I to assume he gains his strength out of thin air? Or god?>When Valtiel uses it
Valtiel doesn't use it.
He has the Crest tattooed on him, showing his connection to the Crest. The whole point of any sigil/crest/etc. is to focus power. This would lead me to believe, since he took lengths to ensure it was with/on him at all times, he uses it to focus his power once in this world and in the Otherworld, wich I am sure is far from his normal Paradise.Mockingbird wrote: The Virun VII Crest--also known as the Seal of Metatron--is tattooed on our hosts shoulder(s)--
This implicates that it has been known to work for either side. If it had only ever been used as a tool by humans to destroy theirselves to ensure god was not born, then it would most likely be seen as a bad thing. Hense the story the woman on the tape tells to Vincent. She associates them to witches. If it is a symbol in their faith that could be used for good or evil, why would she say they used the seal to "spit into the very face of god". Why would she say this if it is named after on of thier beloved angel/gods?Now, this is only one instance of the Virun VII Crest's use, and as is noted in Otherworld Laws, found in the Chapel's library, "it will bring results regardless of whether the target is good or evil..." The implication: Alessa used the Virun VII Crest to destroy God, a powerful sigil bearing the name of Metatron, "the greatest of all the heavenly heirarchs,"
the name is meaningless, but the power remains the same. if you're asking why they didn't name it differently, only team silent knows and they haven't mentioned any reasons as to why the order chose "metatron" in particular.Harrys_Girl wrote:There is a seal named after an angel, but not the same as the angel.
It's apparently a power intrinsic to Toluca Lake and the surrounding area, God of the Order or not.Yes I understand that the town uses the minds of humans to morph the world we see in the game. But isnt that power harnessed by the god of the Order?
I prefer the Blueberry Muffins example myself.Harrys_Girl wrote:The Ted Danson example was great...
God has no power, since it's a product of human minds, like the other monsters.Detective Cartland wrote:Yes I understand that the town uses the minds of humans to morph the world we see in the game. But isnt that power harnessed by the god of the Order?