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^You're the one who's saying that. All I said is that that particular interview's not as infallible as you make it out to be.
And BTW, I neglected to mention that even if Jodelle did not play the part of Dark Alessa, it's STILL very much correct to say that she played multiple incarnations of the same character. Why? She also played the part of Young Alessa, didn't she?
And okay, since you're asking for at least tangible proof that I could show to back up my belief that Sharon and Alessa make up the good and bad sides of her character and the Dark One is a pretender to their trinity, why is it that both Bedridden Alessa and Sharon had physical, age-capable bodies while the Dark One is but a wraith?
And BTW, I neglected to mention that even if Jodelle did not play the part of Dark Alessa, it's STILL very much correct to say that she played multiple incarnations of the same character. Why? She also played the part of Young Alessa, didn't she?
And okay, since you're asking for at least tangible proof that I could show to back up my belief that Sharon and Alessa make up the good and bad sides of her character and the Dark One is a pretender to their trinity, why is it that both Bedridden Alessa and Sharon had physical, age-capable bodies while the Dark One is but a wraith?
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And BTW, I neglected to mention that even if Jodelle did not play the part of Dark Alessa, it's STILL very much correct to say that she played multiple incarnations of the same character. Why? She also played the part of Young Alessa, didn't she? [/quote]
You're deliberately splitting ahirs, now.
To be a bit more specific, Dark Alessa, regardless of her nature as a part of Alessa/external entity, is playing the role of the Dark One for the cult, and has been doing this for many, many years. Having an ethereal, non-aging body really helps with the whole "Rawrawrawr I'm everything you're afraid of Imma gunna get you" thing.
Alessa's original body is going to age, not much she can do about that. Dark Alessa has no reason to age or be corporeal, but Sharon DOES: She's effectively the bait to draw in someone like Rose, and needs to be the convincingly cherubic child.
And BTW, I neglected to mention that even if Jodelle did not play the part of Dark Alessa, it's STILL very much correct to say that she played multiple incarnations of the same character. Why? She also played the part of Young Alessa, didn't she? [/quote]
You're deliberately splitting ahirs, now.
Probably for the same reason that Cheryl of the games was a more-or-less ordinary person and Alessa had to astral project and ghost around.And okay, since you're asking for at least tangible proof that I could show to back up my belief that Sharon and Alessa make up the good and bad sides of her character and the Dark One is a pretender to their trinity, why is it that both Bedridden Alessa and Sharon had physical, age-capable bodies while the Dark One is but a wraith?
To be a bit more specific, Dark Alessa, regardless of her nature as a part of Alessa/external entity, is playing the role of the Dark One for the cult, and has been doing this for many, many years. Having an ethereal, non-aging body really helps with the whole "Rawrawrawr I'm everything you're afraid of Imma gunna get you" thing.
Alessa's original body is going to age, not much she can do about that. Dark Alessa has no reason to age or be corporeal, but Sharon DOES: She's effectively the bait to draw in someone like Rose, and needs to be the convincingly cherubic child.
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The director directly states that she is living in three bodies and says that that was translated into the movie, meaning movie Alessa lives in three parts. No matter how you twist it, he is still saying there are three versions of Alessa in the movie. You claim he said Jodelle plays multiple interpretations because of Sharon and Alessa, but he never mentions an outside entity. Wouldn't he mention that if there was one? How come he says the devil comes from within, if she's really from outside? He talks about there being 'the devil' within a person and 'god'; who exactly is he talking about if not Alessa?
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Splitting hairs or not, it still didn't prove me wrong, no matter how you dissect the semantics.AuraTwilight wrote:You're deliberately splitting ahirs, now.
And BTW, I neglected to mention that even if Jodelle did not play the part of Dark Alessa, it's STILL very much correct to say that she played multiple incarnations of the same character. Why? She also played the part of Young Alessa, didn't she?
Umm... you seem to keep forgetting that before Rose came along, the Dark One never manifested to anyone besides Alessa, Rose, and Sharon. She may have made her presence known to the Red Nurse, but the nurse hasn't shown any degree of interaction with her, not even reacting when the Dark One touched her shoulder. You might claim she appeared before the Cult at the final massacre but think on this: the Cultists were only staring in fear at Alessa and never at the facsimile at her feet, and even when she was taking a shower in Cristabella's blood, moments later after climbing the ladder and staring at Sharon, she's totally blood-free. There never was ANY need of her to play the role of The Adversary, seeing as the Cult already pinned that title to Alessa herself ("This is where the demon waits, where the darkness lies," pointing to Alessa's ward in the hospital floor map) as well as PH himself who wasdoing a rather spectacular job of it ("Cristabella, they led my Anna to the Demon!"-Eleanor)Probably for the same reason that Cheryl of the games was a more-or-less ordinary person and Alessa had to astral project and ghost around.And okay, since you're asking for at least tangible proof that I could show to back up my belief that Sharon and Alessa make up the good and bad sides of her character and the Dark One is a pretender to their trinity, why is it that both Bedridden Alessa and Sharon had physical, age-capable bodies while the Dark One is but a wraith?
To be a bit more specific, Dark Alessa, regardless of her nature as a part of Alessa/external entity, is playing the role of the Dark One for the cult, and has been doing this for many, many years. Having an ethereal, non-aging body really helps with the whole "Rawrawrawr I'm everything you're afraid of Imma gunna get you" thing.
Alessa's original body is going to age, not much she can do about that. Dark Alessa has no reason to age or be corporeal, but Sharon DOES: She's effectively the bait to draw in someone like Rose, and needs to be the convincingly cherubic child.
Again with your delusion that Gans was talking about the film. Even if you do repeatedly claim that the description I quoted in which he APPARENTLY AND MOST EMPHATICALLY WORDED to say he was speaking about the game plot (which he spectacularly screwed up, btw) was being twisted in my [futile] attempt to discredit your assertions... let me remind you again:JRamirez wrote:The director directly states that she is living in three bodies and says that that was translated into the movie, meaning movie Alessa lives in three parts. No matter how you twist it, he is still saying there are three versions of Alessa in the movie. You claim he said Jodelle plays multiple interpretations because of Sharon and Alessa, but he never mentions an outside entity. Wouldn't he mention that if there was one? How come he says the devil comes from within, if she's really from outside?
And as for not mentioning an outside entity in this interview? Would you in right mind spoil the plot for a film you're promoting? I didn't even see mention of Cristabella in that interview. So does that mean she didn't exist as well?The transcriptionist of Gans' interview which JRamirez kept on insisting proved her correct but actually didn't wrote:Characters can become multiple, like Mary and Maria in Silent Hill 2, and Alessa in SH1. Because this is such an abstract concept, this was the most challenging aspect of trying to adapt the game. The first game tells the amazing story of an adult woman who also exists as two little girls, good and bad doubles representing who she was when she was hurt.
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Proof of this?Umm... you seem to keep forgetting that before Rose came along, the Dark One never manifested to anyone besides Alessa, Rose, and Sharon.
What does that have to do with anything?She may have made her presence known to the Red Nurse, but the nurse hasn't shown any degree of interaction with her, not even reacting when the Dark One touched her shoulder.
Um, because Alessa has the barbed wire that's killing everyone and Dark Alessa isn't doing anything except dancing in peoples' blood?You might claim she appeared before the Cult at the final massacre but think on this: the Cultists were only staring in fear at Alessa and never at the facsimile at her feet,
Except for all that stuff on her face that wasn't there in the previous scenes.and even when she was taking a shower in Cristabella's blood, moments later after climbing the ladder and staring at Sharon, she's totally blood-free.
She did all the stuff Alessa couldn't do cause, you know, she was unable to walk or speak.There never was ANY need of her to play the role of The Adversary, seeing as the Cult already pinned that title to Alessa herself ("This is where the demon waits, where the darkness lies," pointing to Alessa's ward in the hospital floor map) as well as PH himself who wasdoing a rather spectacular job of it ("Cristabella, they led my Anna to the Demon!"-Eleanor)
THIS WAS THE MOST CHALLENGING ASPECT OF TRYING TO ADAPT THE GAME. Do you seriously not comprehend that he is directly stating that he translated the concept of the multiple versions of Alessa to the screen? Why is it that you are the only person on this entire board that can't read a simple quote?Again with your delusion that Gans was talking about the film. Even if you do repeatedly claim that the description I quoted in which he APPARENTLY AND MOST EMPHATICALLY WORDED to say he was speaking about the game plot (which he spectacularly screwed up, btw) was being twisted in my [futile] attempt to discredit your assertions... let me remind you again:
The transcriptionist of Gans' interview which JRamirez kept on insisting proved her correct but actually didn't wrote:Characters can become multiple, like Mary and Maria in Silent Hill 2, and Alessa in SH1. Because this is such an abstract concept, this was the most challenging aspect of trying to adapt the game. The first game tells the amazing story of an adult woman who also exists as two little girls, good and bad doubles representing who she was when she was hurt.
Genius, he wasn't talking about Christabella in that particular portion of the interview. He specifically states he hired her to play "multiple incarnations of a same character", which means he's talking about Jodelle's roles, which makes the lack of mention of Dark Alessa important. Geez, it's not that freaking difficult.And as for not mentioning an outside entity in this interview? Would you in right mind spoil the plot for a film you're promoting? I didn't even see mention of Cristabella in that interview. So does that mean she didn't exist as well?
And if you're talking about spoiling the plot, you point to Dark Alessa saying she has "many names" as meaning she's definitively an external entity and saying she's the dark part of Alessa as meaning nothing. Yet when Jodelle did her interviews for the movie, the clip they showed was Dark Alessa talking to Rose
Guess what they edited out of the clip? "I'm the dark part of Alessa"
Guess what they left in? "I have many names"
Wouldn't they be shooting themsleves in the foot by playing that line to crowds if it means what you claim it does?
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The cultists never mentioning that they are scared of running into a little girl with funky hair and messy eyeshadow whenever they're around town? 'Cos, if they knew that a teleporting version of the Demon was waiting for them out there, I seriously doubt they'd have the guts to step out at all.JRamirez35 wrote:Proof of this?Umm... you seem to keep forgetting that before Rose came along, the Dark One never manifested to anyone besides Alessa, Rose, and Sharon.
I don't know about you, but I pointed that out in response to something Auratwilight said. If I was pointing it out to you, it'd be under a quote from your postWhat does that have to do with anything?She may have made her presence known to the Red Nurse, but the nurse hasn't shown any degree of interaction with her, not even reacting when the Dark One touched her shoulder.
Or they didn't think it strange that the girl that was supposedly strapped onto a ladder that they were about to burn is now prancing before them, coming out of a hole in the ground and partying directly in front of the barbwire-bristling horror? Probably because they see nothing?Um, because Alessa has the barbed wire that's killing everyone and Dark Alessa isn't doing anything except dancing in peoples' blood?You might claim she appeared before the Cult at the final massacre but think on this: the Cultists were only staring in fear at Alessa and never at the facsimile at her feet,
Willing to make a bet on this? Probably already forgotten that scene in the Hotel Attic right before she turned herself into a Roman Candle...Except for all that stuff on her face that wasn't there in the previous scenes.and even when she was taking a shower in Cristabella's blood, moments later after climbing the ladder and staring at Sharon, she's totally blood-free.
The nurse was doing all the work. All the Dark One ever did was sit there on her lazy ass and read the old magazines on the receiving room. As for the maintenance duty on the town to keep the Cultists in place, I believe she delegated that to PH and Co.There never was ANY need of her to play the role of The Adversary, seeing as the Cult already pinned that title to Alessa herself ("This is where the demon waits, where the darkness lies," pointing to Alessa's ward in the hospital floor map) as well as PH himself who wasdoing a rather spectacular job of it ("Cristabella, they led my Anna to the Demon!"-Eleanor)
She did all the stuff Alessa couldn't do cause, you know, she was unable to walk or speak.
And are you the only person who never heard of the proverb regarding eye specks and planks? I certainly didn't see a line in there saying THAT HE SOLVED THAT CHALLENGE BY CARRYING IT OVER STRAIGHT TO THE SCRIPT. And you keep forgetting the plain fact he mixed up the plots for SH1 and SH3, Memory of Alessa and all.Again with your delusion that Gans was talking about the film. Even if you do repeatedly claim that the description I quoted in which he APPARENTLY AND MOST EMPHATICALLY WORDED to say he was speaking about the game plot (which he spectacularly screwed up, btw) was being twisted in my [futile] attempt to discredit your assertions... let me remind you again:
THIS WAS THE MOST CHALLENGING ASPECT OF TRYING TO ADAPT THE GAME. Do you seriously not comprehend that he is directly stating that he translated the concept of the multiple versions of Alessa to the screen? Why is it that you are the only person on this entire board that can't read a simple quote?The transcriptionist of Gans' interview which JRamirez kept on insisting proved her correct but actually didn't wrote:Characters can become multiple, like Mary and Maria in Silent Hill 2, and Alessa in SH1. Because this is such an abstract concept, this was the most challenging aspect of trying to adapt the game. The first game tells the amazing story of an adult woman who also exists as two little girls, good and bad doubles representing who she was when she was hurt.
I don't know how you think about Gans but I'm optimistic in my belief that he hasn't become a pompous asshole yet as to publicly proclaim his own work as "an amazing story". If he were Uwe Boll, on the other hand...
He bothered elaborating that a witch hunt was the backstory. And yet, no Cristabella. Sarcasm wasted.Genius, he wasn't talking about Christabella in that particular portion of the interview. He specifically states he hired her to play "multiple incarnations of a same character", which means he's talking about Jodelle's roles, which makes the lack of mention of Dark Alessa important. Geez, it's not that freaking difficult.And as for not mentioning an outside entity in this interview? Would you in right mind spoil the plot for a film you're promoting? I didn't even see mention of Cristabella in that interview. So does that mean she didn't exist as well?
And freaking difficult to do what? To miss the point of his quotes?
I have no recollection of ever using the "many names" line in defense of my theory. You must have mistaken me for someone else.And if you're talking about spoiling the plot, you point to Dark Alessa saying she has "many names" as meaning she's definitively an external entity and saying she's the dark part of Alessa as meaning nothing. Yet when Jodelle did her interviews for the movie, the clip they showed was Dark Alessa talking to Rose
Guess what they edited out of the clip? "I'm the dark part of Alessa"
Guess what they left in? "I have many names"
Wouldn't they be shooting themsleves in the foot by playing that line to crowds if it means what you claim it does?
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They don't dismiss the idea either. Not that it would matter, since they still have to go out for food. They're not just going out to moon Pyramid Head and blow raspberries at him, leaving the church is a necessity.
The cultists never mentioning that they are scared of running into a little girl with funky hair and messy eyeshadow whenever they're around town? 'Cos, if they knew that a teleporting version of the Demon was waiting for them out there, I seriously doubt they'd have the guts to step out at all.
Let's just agree that Dark Alessa may or may not have appeared to them. She was playing the role of the Dark One either way infront of Rose's eyes before she revealed her true nature.
1) They're kind've being murdered at the moment, I'll cut them some slack if their attention doesn't focus on anything other than "HOLY SHIT HUGE BITCH WITH RAZOR TENTACLES".Or they didn't think it strange that the girl that was supposedly strapped onto a ladder that they were about to burn is now prancing before them, coming out of a hole in the ground and partying directly in front of the barbwire-bristling horror? Probably because they see nothing?
2) They never claim that Sharon and the Dark One are the same entity. Infact, they call Sharon "Spawn of the Demon."
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I dunno. Thirty years? That would've been plenty of time for word to get around that there's a psychotic little bitch waiting for them out there.They don't dismiss the idea either. Not that it would matter, since they still have to go out for food. They're not just going out to moon Pyramid Head and blow raspberries at him, leaving the church is a necessity.
True enough. I'll give you that.1) They're kind've being murdered at the moment, I'll cut them some slack if their attention doesn't focus on anything other than "HOLY SHIT HUGE BITCH WITH RAZOR TENTACLES".
If I remember correctly, they were simply pointing at her and shrieking "Burn the Demon!" I don't really recall them calling her "spawn", just that "she is the likeness of the Demon," i.e., looks close enough for government work.2) They never claim that Sharon and the Dark One are the same entity. Infact, they call Sharon "Spawn of the Demon."
Nonetheless, I'd think if they saw the Dark One coming out of a hole and looking just like the girl they just tried to barbecue moments ago, they would've at least wondered what's up. Still kind of hard to conceive how they'd miss seeing her considering their matriarch's guts is raining down on her.
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Which, to them, is the Dark One, which they DO say is out there.I dunno. Thirty years? That would've been plenty of time for word to get around that there's a psychotic little bitch waiting for them out there.
I know they called her something similar, like "She's the herald/offspring/spawn/whatever of the Demon. Some derivative, instead of the Demon herself.If I remember correctly, they were simply pointing at her and shrieking "Burn the Demon!" I don't really recall them calling her "spawn", just that "she is the likeness of the Demon," i.e., looks close enough for government work.
Even if so, what's so weird about a demon being in multiple places at once?
Well, obviously, they're either watching their Matriarch getting ripped open instead of where the blood is falling, or they're too busy running around, getting skewered themselves. You're making it sound like they formed a single file line and Alessa killed them one at a time and said "Pay attention, there's going to be a quiz."
Nonetheless, I'd think if they saw the Dark One coming out of a hole and looking just like the girl they just tried to barbecue moments ago, they would've at least wondered what's up. Still kind of hard to conceive how they'd miss seeing her considering their matriarch's guts is raining down on her.
Even if they did notice, they got killed pretty quickly, so it's not like we can ask them.
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It was either stay in the church and starve or man it up and go out in groups to find food. As it was clear that they feared the outside of the church, you really can't claim whether they were frightened of only Alessa's monsters or Dark Alessa. There's even evidence that Dark Alessa does make herself quite known to those caught in the darkness, as the miner at the beginning of the film is strung up with barbed wire (Alessa's specialty) and has had his insides ripped out, something that it's very doubtful that creatures like the grey children could have done. The Janitor is also strung up with barbed wire and there's no evidence that another monster hurt him. The director even states that the Janitor is "a giant punishment administered by an angry little girl". To top it off, Christabella specifically says "It hides behind the face of an innocent."The cultists never mentioning that they are scared of running into a little girl with funky hair and messy eyeshadow whenever they're around town? 'Cos, if they knew that a teleporting version of the Demon was waiting for them out there, I seriously doubt they'd have the guts to step out at all.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the rules stated I could only reply to someone who has replied to me. And either way, it still makes no sense.I don't know about you, but I pointed that out in response to something Auratwilight said. If I was pointing it out to you, it'd be under a quote from your post
You cannot seriously think the cultists are going to pay any attention to a little girl who is doing them no harm whatsoever while a hospital bed with giant barbed wire tentacles is floating in the middle of the room, systematically attacking and killing each of them. And even if they did see her, what, exactly, do you think they would do? Stop running from the barbed wire and declare "Look! It's a demon!" You don't think they were a little bit too busy trying not to die for that?Or they didn't think it strange that the girl that was supposedly strapped onto a ladder that they were about to burn is now prancing before them, coming out of a hole in the ground and partying directly in front of the barbwire-bristling horror? Probably because they see nothing?
Willing to make a bet on this? Probably already forgotten that scene in the Hotel Attic right before she turned herself into a Roman Candle...
Dark Alessa in the burned out church:
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Again, you're speculating something that there is no evidence for. Unless you got a copy of the movie that shows what Dark Alessa has and has not been doing for the past thirty years, you're just spouting pure, unsourced, unevidenced speculation.The nurse was doing all the work. All the Dark One ever did was sit there on her lazy ass and read the old magazines on the receiving room.
Your theory also does not explain how Alessa was supposed to get Sharon to the orphanage, how Alessa was supposed to tell her story when she can't talk , how Alessa was supposed to appear in front of Rose's car, how Alessa was supposed to get Rose to chase her, etc. without the use of Dark Alessa.
Again, that's speculation. The fact that the janitor and the miner in the beginning of the movie were both tied up with barbed wire is strong evidence that Dark Alessa herself is also killing people- not just the monsters.As for the maintenance duty on the town to keep the Cultists in place, I believe she delegated that to PH and Co.
That has nothing to do with anything. You are still the only person who has ever claimed the interviews are ambiguous and the only one who doesn't get what he's saying.And are you the only person who never heard of the proverb regarding eye specks and planks?
Ok, let's exercise some common sense here. He's in an interview about the movie talking about aspects important to the movie , and he specifically mentions a character in the movie by name and describes her as living in the bodies of one adult and two children. If he did not put that into the movie, then why would he even mention it in a movie interview ? Furthermore, why would he later say the exact same thing in a seperate movie interview if it was not true? He has stated repeatedly that there are good and bad sides of the soul, and has conveniently never mentioned an external entity.I certainly didn't see a line in there saying THAT HE SOLVED THAT CHALLENGE BY CARRYING IT OVER STRAIGHT TO THE SCRIPT.
And that's not even getting into the fact that the character's canon name (as according to the movie's official website) is Dark Alessa, not The Demon, not The Reaper, not The Dark One- just Dark Alessa. He even officially gives her Alessa's name, how much more obvious could he possibly get?
Now you're making stuff up. He never mentioned SH3 or Memory of Alessa, nor did he in any way imply or allude to her.And you keep forgetting the plain fact he mixed up the plots for SH1 and SH3, Memory of Alessa and all.
If he was talking about Alice Krige and didn't mention Christabella, you would have a point, but he doesn't- and you're making up nonsensical points.He bothered elaborating that a witch hunt was the backstory. And yet, no Cristabella. Sarcasm wasted.
To read a simple quote. Or quotes. You've also stated that you won't listen to Jodelle's quotes because "she's too young".And freaking difficult to do what? To miss the point of his quotes?
The exact wording is:2) They never claim that Sharon and the Dark One are the same entity. Infact, they call Sharon "Spawn of the Demon."
Look at her! She's the image* of your daughter! The demon! The demon fathered this disgusting abomination from her child!
*'image' may not be the exact word, but it's the same idea.
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Which, is just as ambiguous as you could get and still be applicable to the girl they remembered burning 30 years ago.AuraTwilight wrote:Which, to them, is the Dark One, which they DO say is out there.I dunno. Thirty years? That would've been plenty of time for word to get around that there's a psychotic little bitch waiting for them out there.
"demon"? I thought we were all agreed here that the Dark One isn't precisely a "demon"?I know they called her something similar, like "She's the herald/offspring/spawn/whatever of the Demon. Some derivative, instead of the Demon herself.If I remember correctly, they were simply pointing at her and shrieking "Burn the Demon!" I don't really recall them calling her "spawn", just that "she is the likeness of the Demon," i.e., looks close enough for government work.
Even if so, what's so weird about a demon being in multiple places at once?
Still... you'd think they at least SEE. But agreed on the pointlessness of further speculation.Well, obviously, they're either watching their Matriarch getting ripped open instead of where the blood is falling, or they're too busy running around, getting skewered themselves. You're making it sound like they formed a single file line and Alessa killed them one at a time and said "Pay attention, there's going to be a quiz."
Nonetheless, I'd think if they saw the Dark One coming out of a hole and looking just like the girl they just tried to barbecue moments ago, they would've at least wondered what's up. Still kind of hard to conceive how they'd miss seeing her considering their matriarch's guts is raining down on her.
Even if they did notice, they got killed pretty quickly, so it's not like we can ask them.
I'd beg pardon though if I remain by my stance, of course. Given how interminable the speculation is regarding this matter.
Cristabella said the same thing ("do not be deceived by the guise of innocence before you!") about Young Alessa while she was roasting on the spit.JRamirez35 wrote:It was either stay in the church and starve or man it up and go out in groups to find food. As it was clear that they feared the outside of the church, you really can't claim whether they were frightened of only Alessa's monsters or Dark Alessa. There's even evidence that Dark Alessa does make herself quite known to those caught in the darkness, as the miner at the beginning of the film is strung up with barbed wire (Alessa's specialty) and has had his insides ripped out, something that it's very doubtful that creatures like the grey children could have done. The Janitor is also strung up with barbed wire and there's no evidence that another monster hurt him. The director even states that the Janitor is "a giant punishment administered by an angry little girl". To top it off, Christabella specifically says "It hides behind the face of an innocent."The cultists never mentioning that they are scared of running into a little girl with funky hair and messy eyeshadow whenever they're around town? 'Cos, if they knew that a teleporting version of the Demon was waiting for them out there, I seriously doubt they'd have the guts to step out at all.
And evidence that it was the Bedridden Alessa who strung up the miner? First of all, it's pure speculation (PH is equally capable of doing it) and Second, I thought you were insisting she was immobile in her ward while the Dark One did the dirty work? The Janitor, well, duh. Alessa was molested when she was little.
It obviously made sense to Aura because he didn't bring it up again. It didn't make sense to you because it wasn't directed in response to you. Because in the first place, I didn't write it in a context relevant to anything you've written before.I'm sorry, I didn't realize the rules stated I could only reply to someone who has replied to me. And either way, it still makes no sense.I don't know about you, but I pointed that out in response to something Auratwilight said. If I was pointing it out to you, it'd be under a quote from your post
Honestly. I'd think you would have been familiar by now to discussion board dynamics.
I'll just repeat what I wrote in response to Aura above given that his post is basically the same as yours:You cannot seriously think the cultists are going to pay any attention to a little girl who is doing them no harm whatsoever while a hospital bed with giant barbed wire tentacles is floating in the middle of the room, systematically attacking and killing each of them. And even if they did see her, what, exactly, do you think they would do? Stop running from the barbed wire and declare "Look! It's a demon!" You don't think they were a little bit too busy trying not to die for that?Or they didn't think it strange that the girl that was supposedly strapped onto a ladder that they were about to burn is now prancing before them, coming out of a hole in the ground and partying directly in front of the barbwire-bristling horror? Probably because they see nothing?
Still... you'd think they at least SEE. But agreed on the pointlessness of further speculation.
I'd beg pardon though if I remain by my stance, of course. Given how interminable the speculation is regarding this matter.
All right. Kudos to you for finding clearer pictures of that particular scene. I lost that wager.Willing to make a bet on this? Probably already forgotten that scene in the Hotel Attic right before she turned herself into a Roman Candle...
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You're just as equally pure, unsourced and unevidencially speculative about who did in the eviscerated Miner and the Janitor.Again, you're speculating something that there is no evidence for. Unless you got a copy of the movie that shows what Dark Alessa has and has not been doing for the past thirty years, you're just spouting pure, unsourced, unevidenced speculation.The nurse was doing all the work. All the Dark One ever did was sit there on her lazy ass and read the old magazines on the receiving room.
if the Dark One can interact with Alessa, why the heck not with her Doppelganger? And I happened to include Rose in the List of People Who See the Dark One, didn't I? But tell me, did the Dark One ever appear to Dahlia? To Cristabella?Your theory also does not explain how Alessa was supposed to get Sharon to the orphanage, how Alessa was supposed to tell her story when she can't talk , how Alessa was supposed to appear in front of Rose's car, how Alessa was supposed to get Rose to chase her, etc. without the use of Dark Alessa.
Answer: Up to Speculation
Again, you accuse me of speculating... and then retort with a speculation of your own. Is there a Special Non-Applicability Clause you're entitled to with regards to accusing people of things? 'Cause you did that too in saying I'm the one taking Christophe Gans' words out of context.Again, that's speculation. The fact that the janitor and the miner in the beginning of the movie were both tied up with barbed wire is strong evidence that Dark Alessa herself is also killing people- not just the monsters.As for the maintenance duty on the town to keep the Cultists in place, I believe she delegated that to PH and Co.
Ambiguous? How about you PERSISTENTLY misrepresenting a quote to "prove" your assertion, when it clearly doesn't? Because, unless you've got other DIRECT quotes from Gans besides the one I keep repeating and highlighting in bold text and italics, you've got a problem with the structure of your theory, ma'am... especially if it's built solely on that quote.That has nothing to do with anything. You are still the only person who has ever claimed the interviews are ambiguous and the only one who doesn't get what he's saying.And are you the only person who never heard of the proverb regarding eye specks and planks?
Okay... you're losing me on this one. You basically say that Gans saying Alessa split into good and bad sides DISCREDITS my theory but I, once again say, NEVER DENIED THAT. BECAUSE I SAID SHE SPLIT INTO BEDRIDDEN ALESSA AND SHARON.Ok, let's exercise some common sense here. He's in an interview about the movie talking about aspects important to the movie , and he specifically mentions a character in the movie by name and describes her as living in the bodies of one adult and two children. If he did not put that into the movie, then why would he even mention it in a movie interview ? Furthermore, why would he later say the exact same thing in a seperate movie interview if it was not true? He has stated repeatedly that there are good and bad sides of the soul, and has conveniently never mentioned an external entity.I certainly didn't see a line in there saying THAT HE SOLVED THAT CHALLENGE BY CARRYING IT OVER STRAIGHT TO THE SCRIPT.
And you keep saying he said THE MOVIE was about a character that "lives in the bodies of an adult and two children" but you keep yourself blinded to THE FACT THAT HE INSERTED THE WORDS "THE FIRST GAME TELLS THE AMAZING STORY" BEFORE THAT PHRASE.
What's so hard about using common sense in forcing yourself to read that? You're just wasting sweat hammering a round peg into a square hole when there's a round hole in front of you.
As obvious as the movie entity being officially called "THE Red Pyramid" but we still keep referring to him as Pyramid Head? Oh come on... this doesn't even require waste of thought.And that's not even getting into the fact that the character's canon name (as according to the movie's official website) is Dark Alessa, not The Demon, not The Reaper, not The Dark One- just Dark Alessa. He even officially gives her Alessa's name, how much more obvious could he possibly get?
Well then, did he get SH1's plot CORRECTLY by saying it's "an amazing storyof an adult woman who also exists as two little girls, good and bad doubles representing who she was when she was hurt"?Now you're making stuff up. He never mentioned SH3 or Memory of Alessa, nor did he in any way imply or allude to her.And you keep forgetting the plain fact he mixed up the plots for SH1 and SH3, Memory of Alessa and all.
And of course, he didn't see Memory of Alessa in SH3 BEFORE he came up with the idea of a grungy doppelganger as the character design for the Dark One. 'Cos he's so original he doesn't need inspirations.
Suggesting that he wasn't wasting the interview spoon-feeding the audience the whole story was a nonsensical point?If he was talking about Alice Krige and didn't mention Christabella, you would have a point, but he doesn't- and you're making up nonsensical points.He bothered elaborating that a witch hunt was the backstory. And yet, no Cristabella. Sarcasm wasted.
I stated that I don't give her much credence for understanding the entirety of the plot. There's a difference. And as for missing the point of why I'm saying you're purposefully misrepresenting Gans' quote as stubbornly as a medieval Flat Earth Perspective fanatic, I facepalm in exasperation.To read a simple quote. Or quotes. You've also stated that you won't listen to Jodelle's quotes because "she's too young".And freaking difficult to do what? To miss the point of his quotes?
It's fortunate you never got to write an FAQ for the movie in the Sticky Board... you'd be passing off an erroneous interpretation as Absolute Truth.
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Right. And since Alessa herself isn't running around, that leaves only one figure they could be referring to.
Which, is just as ambiguous as you could get and still be applicable to the girl they remembered burning 30 years ago.
You know perfectly well I was speaking from the point of view of the cultists. Quit your games."demon"? I thought we were all agreed here that the Dark One isn't precisely a "demon"?
Who says they didn't see? Seeing and reacting don't have to go hand in hand.Still... you'd think they at least SEE. But agreed on the pointlessness of further speculation.
I'd beg pardon though if I remain by my stance, of course. Given how interminable the speculation is regarding this matter.
Why the hell would Pyramid Head use barbed wire? Cutting and slashing and shit is kind've his thing.Cristabella said the same thing ("do not be deceived by the guise of innocence before you!") about Young Alessa while she was roasting on the spit.
And evidence that it was the Bedridden Alessa who strung up the miner? First of all, it's pure speculation (PH is equally capable of doing it) and Second, I thought you were insisting she was immobile in her ward while the Dark One did the dirty work? The Janitor, well, duh. Alessa was molested when she was little.
Can we atleast agree one of the two Alessas is responsible for the stringing up?
I don't even know what you're talking about, so please don't invoke me.It obviously made sense to Aura because he didn't bring it up again. It didn't make sense to you because it wasn't directed in response to you. Because in the first place, I didn't write it in a context relevant to anything you've written before.
Honestly. I'd think you would have been familiar by now to discussion board dynamics.
Excuse me, how is she misrepresenting a quote? Giving an interpretation of it you don't agree with isn't the same thing.Ambiguous? How about you PERSISTENTLY misrepresenting a quote to "prove" your assertion, when it clearly doesn't? Because, unless you've got other DIRECT quotes from Gans besides the one I keep repeating and highlighting in bold text and italics, you've got a problem with the structure of your theory, ma'am... especially if it's built solely on that quote.
But the game doesn't have Alessa split into an adult and two children. Only Movie Alessa fits the criteria. Semantics fail.And you keep saying he said THE MOVIE was about a character that "lives in the bodies of an adult and two children" but you keep yourself blinded to THE FACT THAT HE INSERTED THE WORDS "THE FIRST GAME TELLS THE AMAZING STORY" BEFORE THAT PHRASE.
Really?Well then, did he get SH1's plot CORRECTLY by saying it's "an amazing storyof an adult woman who also exists as two little girls, good and bad doubles representing who she was when she was hurt"?
And of course, he didn't see Memory of Alessa in SH3 BEFORE he came up with the idea of a grungy doppelganger as the character design for the Dark One. 'Cos he's so original he doesn't need inspirations.
You're seriously saying Dark Alessa is based on Memory of Alessa purely because they're both dopplegangers covered in blood? Even though they have nothing else in common?
I don't see how her interpretation is erroneous. One you disagree with, maybe, but for it to be erroneous, it has to be wrong. You've yet to prove it or even bring up significant doubt.
It's fortunate you never got to write an FAQ for the movie in the Sticky Board... you'd be passing off an erroneous interpretation as Absolute Truth.
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But you're claiming taht they *never* mention Dark Alessa. When presented with direct quotes saying they do, you pass it off as speculation. Make up your mind already.Which, is just as ambiguous as you could get and still be applicable to the girl they remembered burning 30 years ago.
Well, at least you're giving up on what has to be quite possibly the most ridiculous argument I have ever seen about the film.Still... you'd think they at least SEE. But agreed on the pointlessness of further speculation.
I'd beg pardon though if I remain by my stance, of course. Given how interminable the speculation is regarding this matter.
So? All that proves is that she knows that the entity controlling the town is identical to Alessa.
Cristabella said the same thing ("do not be deceived by the guise of innocence before you!") about Young Alessa while she was roasting on the spit.
Oh. My. God. Do you actually read or just make stuff up as you go?And evidence that it was the Bedridden Alessa who strung up the miner? First of all, it's pure speculation (PH is equally capable of doing it) and Second, I thought you were insisting she was immobile in her ward while the Dark One did the dirty work? The Janitor, well, duh. Alessa was molested when she was little.
1.) I specifically stated it was Dark Alessa, not Alessa. I'll try to make sure I bold things you might not pay attention to next time.
2.) Please give even one iota of proof found anywhere in the movie that PH is in any way, shape, or form associated with barbed wire. For that matter, give any proof that any creature except Dark Alessa and Alessa uses barbed wire. Any proof at all. Until then, the fact remains that the only creatures seen using barbed wire are Alessa and Dark Alessa, meaning that it's very likely that Dark Alessa personally attacked the miner.
3.) The janitor was killed after Alessa was burned, so the same argument still stands.
Are you assuming I am so stupid that I can't read any posts except those directed at me? I've read your posts and Aura's posts, and none of that changes the fact that what you said makes no sense . Though, at this point, that seems to be a common feature in your posts.It obviously made sense to Aura because he didn't bring it up again. It didn't make sense to you because it wasn't directed in response to you. Because in the first place, I didn't write it in a context relevant to anything you've written before.
Funny, I used evidence seen in the movie (as opposed to stuff not seen in the movie, as you prefer to use) to prove why Dark Alessa was responsible for them.You're just as equally pure, unsourced and unevidencially speculative about who did in the eviscerated Miner and the Janitor.
*facepalm* Seriously? Please read the freaking post before you reply!if the Dark One can interact with Alessa, why the heck not with her Doppelganger? And I happened to include Rose in the List of People Who See the Dark One, didn't I? But tell me, did the Dark One ever appear to Dahlia? To Cristabella?
You stated that the Red Nurse could do everything Dark Alessa was doing, I refuted that and pointed out that she could not speak for Alessa, or lead Rose around the town, or carry Sharon to the orphanage. I never said that Dark Alessa can't interact with Alessa, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
What is known is that Christabella explicitly states that the entity that controls the town "hides behind the face of a child" and that Dahlia refers to Dark Alessa as "the dark one", implying that she is fully aware that one dark entity is controlling the entire town, something she would only be aware of had she seen Dark Alessa.
The difference is, there's strong implication that they can, and absolutely no proof anywhere that they can't.Answer: Up to Speculation
There's a No Super Ridiculous Speculation Backed Up By Absolutely No Evidence And Actually Contradicted By Common Sense and Simple Logic clause. You seem to have broken it several times. I'm amused that you consider speculation which involves real facts from the film on the same level as speculation that is based on nothing and which is refuted by the movie itself.Again, you accuse me of speculating... and then retort with a speculation of your own. Is there a Special Non-Applicability Clause you're entitled to with regards to accusing people of things? 'Cause you did that too in saying I'm the one taking Christophe Gans' words out of context.
Yes, it does. In fact, that same quote has been posted in MULTIPLE threads all up and down this board for over a year now, and you are the ONLY person who has ever claimed it's misrepresented.Ambiguous? How about you PERSISTENTLY misrepresenting a quote to "prove" your assertion, when it clearly doesn't?
You mean, quotes like saying he hired Jodelle to play "multiple interpretations of a same character" while he conveniently makes no mention of an outside entity, or Gans stating that the whole point of the movie is that each person has the ability to become god or the devil? Who would "the devil" be in the movie? It's quite obvious. Or even Jodelle outright stating that Dark Alessa is "the bad part of Alessa" and telling Conan O'Brien that she plays "different sides of one character", when that wouldn't be true if the adult Alessa was Alessa's dark side.Because, unless you've got other DIRECT quotes from Gans besides the one I keep repeating and highlighting in bold text and italics, you've got a problem with the structure of your theory, ma'am... especially if it's built solely on that quote.
Gans saying that she's living in three bodies certainly does. It's also notable that he directly refers to the dark side as "devil". In no way is adult Alessa meant to play a "devil" character in the movie, but Dark Alessa is.Okay... you're losing me on this one. You basically say that Gans saying Alessa split into good and bad sides DISCREDITS my theory but I, once again say, NEVER DENIED THAT. BECAUSE I SAID SHE SPLIT INTO BEDRIDDEN ALESSA AND SHARON.
Except there is no game in existence that tells that story. However, the movie shows an adult woman who has two children who are identical to her, one of whom is referred to as "what's left of her goodness" and the other who calls herself "the dark part of Alessa". It is not that hard to understand that he mixed the plots up, as it's really freaking obvious .And you keep saying he said THE MOVIE was about a character that "lives in the bodies of an adult and two children" but you keep yourself blinded to THE FACT THAT HE INSERTED THE WORDS "THE FIRST GAME TELLS THE AMAZING STORY" BEFORE THAT PHRASE.
I'M the one that's using common sense. You're the one who keeps screaming that Gans is talking about a videogame that doesn't exist/a character that is never mentioned in the article.What's so hard about using common sense in forcing yourself to read that? You're just wasting sweat hammering a round peg into a square hole when there's a round hole in front of you.
It's called The Red Pyramid in the games, genius, that's why it has the same freaking name in the film. And saying that still does not explain why he named her "Dark Alessa" when, according to you, she isn't Alessa at all. Why not just call her "The Reaper"? She refers to herself by that name in the film, and people would understand that. But that's not her name, instead her name directly says she's a dark version of Alessa.As obvious as the movie entity being officially called "THE Red Pyramid" but we still keep referring to him as Pyramid Head? Oh come on... this doesn't even require waste of thought.
As I stated about fifteen times now, he was talking about the movie and got the two plots mixed up. It's totally understandable when you think about the fact that he was completely immersed in making the movie at the time and would have spent every day for over a year living and breathing the movie's storyline.Well then, did he get SH1's plot CORRECTLY by saying it's "an amazing storyof an adult woman who also exists as two little girls, good and bad doubles representing who she was when she was hurt"?
Um, how do you know that? Is this another of your Super Ridiculous Speculation Backed Up By No Evidence and Actually Contradicted By Common Sense and Simple Logic moments? He could easily have used Samara from The Ring as inspiration, or Alma Wade from FEAR, or Reagan from The Exorcist. Nah... There's NO way he could have possibly used a source YOU don't think he did!And of course, he didn't see Memory of Alessa in SH3 BEFORE he came up with the idea of a grungy doppelganger as the character design for the Dark One. 'Cos he's so original he doesn't need inspirations.
That's not what you were saying. Stop changing your story. You were claiming that not mentioning Christabella was somehow related to not mentioning an external entity. As I pointed out, that makes no sense because he was talking about the actress who plays Dark Alessa and why he hired her, but never once mentions he wanted her to play an entity external from Alessa.Suggesting that he wasn't wasting the interview spoon-feeding the audience the whole story was a nonsensical point?
Did you work on the set of the movie? Did you play the role of Dark Alessa in the film? Do you know Jodelle personally? Until you can say 'yes' to any of these, you're just ignoring facts and evidence.I stated that I don't give her much credence for understanding the entirety of the plot.
As I pointed out, you are the ONLY one who thinks that. Your lack of common sense defies all understanding. I seriously can't tell if you're just trolling for fun or if you really believe some of the stuff you're claiming.And as for missing the point of why I'm saying you're purposefully misrepresenting Gans' quote as stubbornly as a medieval Flat Earth Perspective fanatic, I facepalm in exasperation.
Um, I never asked Vixx if I could. I wouldn't expect to write one without her consent and, since I never asked her for it, I wouldn't expect it at this point. And what would your FAQ have? A bunch of garbage that makes no sense and contradicts itself? Cause that's pretty much the gist of every single post you've made in this thread.It's fortunate you never got to write an FAQ for the movie in the Sticky Board... you'd be passing off an erroneous interpretation as Absolute Truth.
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"The Demon's out there"? Bedridden Alessa isn't INside the church either. Still applies.AuraTwilight wrote:Right. And since Alessa herself isn't running around, that leaves only one figure they could be referring to.
Which, is just as ambiguous as you could get and still be applicable to the girl they remembered burning 30 years ago.
Do we have proof conclusive yet that the Cultists ever saw the Dark One? We DO, however have proof that they called ALESSA a demon before.You know perfectly well I was speaking from the point of view of the cultists. Quit your games."demon"? I thought we were all agreed here that the Dark One isn't precisely a "demon"?
Still raising my hand here in case you didn't notice. And what you think applies to you doesn't necessarily apply to fictitiously-portrayed crowd characters. If I could accede to at least that, you're just being inflexible out of sheer obstinacy's sake.Who says they didn't see? Seeing and reacting don't have to go hand in hand.Still... you'd think they at least SEE. But agreed on the pointlessness of further speculation.
I'd beg pardon though if I remain by my stance, of course. Given how interminable the speculation is regarding this matter.
'Cos the barbed wire is right there on the fence, and it's approximately within his reach? And if cutting and slashing is his forte... what the hell happened to Anna?Why the hell would Pyramid Head use barbed wire? Cutting and slashing and shit is kind've his thing.Cristabella said the same thing ("do not be deceived by the guise of innocence before you!") about Young Alessa while she was roasting on the spit.
And evidence that it was the Bedridden Alessa who strung up the miner? First of all, it's pure speculation (PH is equally capable of doing it) and Second, I thought you were insisting she was immobile in her ward while the Dark One did the dirty work? The Janitor, well, duh. Alessa was molested when she was little.
The motive behind the stringing, yes. The actual handiwork though? Doubtful.Can we atleast agree one of the two Alessas is responsible for the stringing up?
I mentioned the nurse not reacting to the touch of the Dark One because I was stipulating that I did not agree with your assertion that others trapped in the Otherworld besides Rose, Sharon and Alessa herself ever interacted with the DO. You didn't bother contesting that. Ergo, I assumed you didn't feel you had to. But counter-point away if you think I am wrong on that score.I don't even know what you're talking about, so please don't invoke me.It obviously made sense to Aura because he didn't bring it up again. It didn't make sense to you because it wasn't directed in response to you. Because in the first place, I didn't write it in a context relevant to anything you've written before.
Honestly. I'd think you would have been familiar by now to discussion board dynamics.
Because of the fact that I keep pointing out that Gans specifically said he was talking about the first game, and even mentioned SH2 in the context of his discussing how he was trying to parallel the characterization of the games while adapting the movie plot?Excuse me, how is she misrepresenting a quote? Giving an interpretation of it you don't agree with isn't the same thing.Ambiguous? How about you PERSISTENTLY misrepresenting a quote to "prove" your assertion, when it clearly doesn't? Because, unless you've got other DIRECT quotes from Gans besides the one I keep repeating and highlighting in bold text and italics, you've got a problem with the structure of your theory, ma'am... especially if it's built solely on that quote.
Um no. INTERPRETATION fails because even if you keep saying he could only have been talking about the movie plot. He STILL DOES say he was describing the first game.But the game doesn't have Alessa split into an adult and two children. Only Movie Alessa fits the criteria. Semantics fail.And you keep saying he said THE MOVIE was about a character that "lives in the bodies of an adult and two children" but you keep yourself blinded to THE FACT THAT HE INSERTED THE WORDS "THE FIRST GAME TELLS THE AMAZING STORY" BEFORE THAT PHRASE.
Tunnel vision is never a good thing.
You still haven't answered whether he DID in fact, describe SH1's plot correctly. My opinion that he got his thoughts mixed up while answering the interview ad lib still stands.Really?Well then, did he get SH1's plot CORRECTLY by saying it's "an amazing storyof an adult woman who also exists as two little girls, good and bad doubles representing who she was when she was hurt"?
And of course, he didn't see Memory of Alessa in SH3 BEFORE he came up with the idea of a grungy doppelganger as the character design for the Dark One. 'Cos he's so original he doesn't need inspirations.
You're seriously saying Dark Alessa is based on Memory of Alessa purely because they're both dopplegangers covered in blood? Even though they have nothing else in common?
*Facepalm*I don't see how her interpretation is erroneous. One you disagree with, maybe, but for it to be erroneous, it has to be wrong. You've yet to prove it or even bring up significant doubt.
It's fortunate you never got to write an FAQ for the movie in the Sticky Board... you'd be passing off an erroneous interpretation as Absolute Truth.
I'm beginning to wonder now if the phrase "IN THE FIRST GAME" automatically gets written in French or some other language when I write it in this thread.
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Not really. You claim they never saw Dark Alessa, but it's also a known fact that Alessa is trapped in her bed in the hospital. So, if they're not talking about Alessa being out there, and they're not talking about Dark Alessa, who are they talking about?"The Demon's out there"? Bedridden Alessa isn't INside the church either. Still applies.
There's evidence that they did, like Christabella sepcifically stating that the demon has the face of an innocent and Dahlia saying that "the dark one" controls the town, something she wouldn't know unless she had seen Dark Alessa.Do we have proof conclusive yet that the Cultists ever saw the Dark One? We DO, however have proof that they called ALESSA a demon before.
Apparently common sense doesn't apply either. It's just the most ridiculous thing that someone would actually argue that Dark Alessa can't be seen because none of the cultists paid attention to her while there was a woman with barbed wire ripping them to pieces.Still raising my hand here in case you didn't notice. And what you think applies to you doesn't necessarily apply to fictitiously-portrayed crowd characters. If I could accede to at least that, you're just being inflexible out of sheer obstinacy's sake.
If he used the barbed wire on the fence, then why is there the same amount of barbed wire on that fence as on all the others? Wouldn't it have, you know, diminished in number of strands if he had used it to tie up the miner?'Cos the barbed wire is right there on the fence, and it's approximately within his reach? And if cutting and slashing is his forte... what the hell happened to Anna?
Only to you.The motive behind the stringing, yes. The actual handiwork though? Doubtful.
Why would someone who has constantly been in Dark Alessa's presence for thirty years and who can't even see her react to her touch? That's why I said it made no sense, because it's a ridiculous argument.I mentioned the nurse not reacting to the touch of the Dark One because I was stipulating that I did not agree with your assertion that others trapped in the Otherworld besides Rose, Sharon and Alessa herself ever interacted with the DO. You didn't bother contesting that. Ergo, I assumed you didn't feel you had to. But counter-point away if you think I am wrong on that score.
And yet, there's no game in existence that shows what he's talking about. However, the characters he mentions DIRECTLY FIT THE FILM CRITERIA.Because of the fact that I keep pointing out that Gans specifically said he was talking about the first game, and even mentioned SH2 in the context of his discussing how he was trying to parallel the characterization of the games while adapting the movie plot?
Common sense fail because you keep insisting he's talking about a game that doesn't exist, even though it's quite obvious he merely mixed up the movie's plot with the games.Um no. INTERPRETATION fails because even if you keep saying he could only have been talking about the movie plot. He STILL DOES say he was describing the first game.
Tunnel vision is never a good thing.
I believe we've both made statements on that multiple times. Of course he got it wrong, BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MOVIE.You still haven't answered whether he DID in fact, describe SH1's plot correctly.
Your opinion involves trying to force an interpretation of Alessa that NEVER exists in the games. You're trying to claim that he must mean Memory of Alessa when he talks about Alessa's dark side, yet he specifically says AN ADULT AND TWO CHILDREN. Memory of Alessa is seventeen, how is she a child? And if he was referring to Memory of Alessa as a child, who is the adult?My opinion that he got his thoughts mixed up while answering the interview ad lib still stands.
I'm beginning to wonder what happened to common sense in all your posts.*Facepalm*
I'm beginning to wonder now if the phrase "IN THE FIRST GAME" automatically gets written in French or some other language when I write it in this thread.