Lisa Garland: Nothing To See Here (Unmarked Spoilers Within)

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>But that's not what you were arguing.
Actually, it is. You evidently misinterpreted it.

>She's a reflection of Mary.
She's also a reflection of the Maria that worked at Heaven's Night, otherwise they wouldn't look the same.
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Mockingbird wrote:Actually, it is. You evidently misinterpreted it.
Well maybe you should've worded
They're the same thing, Drewfus. . . .
They're not completely different people when they're physically the exact same. . .
However, they are the same person.
a little clearer?
Mockingbird wrote:She's also a reflection of the Maria that worked at Heaven's Night, otherwise they wouldn't look the same.
You've never seen the Maria that worked at Heaven's Night!

I'd also like to point out that you got snide with me right off the bat, before I'd done anything but disagree with your point (or, misinterpreted it)
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>You've never seen the Maria that worked at Heaven's Night!
Have you seen the flier with Maria on the cover? or the advertisements for Heaven's Night in Toluca Lake's overlook's bathroom?
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Mockingbird wrote:>You've never seen the Maria that worked at Heaven's Night!
Have you seen the flier with Maria on the cover? or the advertisements for Heaven's Night in Toluca Lake's overlook's bathroom?
What the flier that's only a couple of hundred pixels wide, and features a person too small to possibly distinguish, with black hair?
Yeah, I've seen that.
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Well if you look closer it's Maria. With black hair. The other poster mentioned is also of Maria. Weird.
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Mockingbird wrote:Well if you look closer it's Maria. With black hair. The other poster mentioned is also of Maria. Weird.
Can I see it (have you got a link, or anything)?
As far as I remember it, it's too small to look like anyone.
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Show me where I acted snide towards you in this thread.

I really am going to have to insist that we talk about Lisa now. This is not a SH2 thread.
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You wrote:We're still talking about two completely different people. You might as well be saying "Jillian was a real person, but Barbara isn't".
Snide to me.
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Not snide. Pointing out a fallacy in your reasoning.

Let's move on, shall we?
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See. More snide comments. If yours was simply "pointing out a fallacy" in reasoning, then so was mine.
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So! Lisa what a trollop, eh?
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black hair VS blonde hair =/= the exact physical same.

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Yeah, Lisa is a pretty good character...
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Krist. wrote:So! Lisa what a trollop, eh?
Yeah. I was a little surprised they added that sort of depth to both Lisa and Kaufman's characters. I mean... that sort of negative depth.

It's a little strange she wasn't a little more... screwed up by it, though. Or maybe she was just coping with it so that she wasn't showing that doing Kaufman for drugs was affecting her. Or maybe she just never let the significance sink in. She is pretty young.

But it's not like she was the only one hooked on White Claudia in the entire hospital- wasn't pretty much the whole staff on it?
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I don't see any evidence within the games to support the idea that everyone was on it. I somehow doubt the entire staff of a general hospital would be strung out on illegal hallucinogenic narcotics and still be able to operate. Lisa's just a dumb kid, but why would the rest of the staff be on it?
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I think it's perfectly reasonable to theorise that some other staff members besides Lisa were on it, but not everyone.
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>black hair VS blonde hair =/= the exact physical same.
If that's your remaining dispute: Phail.

>wasn't pretty much the whole staff on it?
No. Alchemilla Hospital was only used as a storage for PTV. Remember: They sold the stuff to the tourists to finance The Order's activities.
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Numb Body01 wrote:I think it's perfectly reasonable to theorise that some other staff members besides Lisa were on it, but not everyone.
Considering their idea of fun--grabbing trainee nurses "before they go quick"--I wouldn't put it past the fuckers to sample. Alchemilla sucks. I'm glad half of the staff got that weird demon hump thing embedded into their backs.

For the record: Hair color is absolutely NOT a determining factor to say that people aren't physically the same. Identical twins could have different hair color due to dyeing or what-have-you--and yet oh hai they're the exact replica of each other. Imagine that. I'm the exact, physical replica as my old self years prior though I had different coloured hair then. Doesn't change anything about my distinguishing features--like, you know. My face. My body. You wouldn't say that you aren't yourself just because you lose your hair, would you? Stop being so bloody literal.
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I think that might be WHY they all got that puppet humps on their back....
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Krist. wrote:For the record: Hair color is absolutely NOT a determining factor to say that people aren't physically the same. Identical twins could have different hair color due to dyeing or what-have-you--and yet oh hai they're the exact replica of each other. Imagine that. I'm the exact, physical replica as my old self years prior though I had different coloured hair then. Doesn't change anything about my distinguishing features--like, you know. My face. My body. You wouldn't say that you aren't yourself just because you lose your hair, would you? Stop being so bloody literal.
Can I see it (have you got a link, or anything)?
As far as I remember it, it's too small to look like anyone.
That was my point. The hair is just additional differentiating factor.

ANYWAY.
I think that might be WHY they all got that puppet humps on their back....
Nah. I think it's more that Silent Hills vibe hadn't been properly decided, and parasites infecting the Hospital staff wasn't quite as un-Silent-Hill as it is in retrospect.
Apparently the influence of White Claudia was quite widespread, though (didn't I read that, somewhere?)
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