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Have you seen Harry's daughter anywhere? Short, dark hair?

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They contradict the game.

Remember how the games trump the books?
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They don't contradict the game(s) at all.

They probably contradict your interpretation of the game, but then again.
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Clearly they do contradict w/ the game, otherwise this discussion would never have happened 6 years ago.
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The existence/nonexistence of a debate doesn't clearly prove anything.
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Silent Hill is open to interpretation, who's to say who's right? Why don't we ask Konami to get the true answer? Just saying ya know? Has anyone tried to contact them? :?
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alone in the town wrote:Resolving inconsistency requires dismissing the weaker explanation.
It's not really inconsistency when the passages don't contradict each other.
The other equivocates Incubator with God.

So, unless Alessa is also God, we have ourselves some crossed wires.
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You should read my first quote, then reread your quote really carefully.
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It says that Alessa fused with God. A clear indication that they were separate beings, as I read it.

And, can anyone really argue that Alessa's goals are in any way similar to God's? This talk of Incubator being Alessa, if true, can only be so in a strictly physical sense. Certainly, the things Incubator does are by no means Alessa acting consciously and independently.

Whether Alessa transformed into God or was destroyed in the birthing process is totally irrelevant. The fact that God is in total control past the point of birthing is the relevant point. Even if it's Alessa's body being used, she's merely being worn like a suit. The actual persona is no longer in existence.
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And with that in mind, the rest becomes purely semantic, considering the Mind-Over-Matter nature of the Otherworld. As far as it could possibly matter, it's God no matter how you slice it.
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Only that's not what Lost Memories says. It's actually rather clear on the matter, and I find it rather confusing why you're so intent on ignoring what's actually written down.

Mind over matter indeed.
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You're right; Lost Memories cuts the shit and says it's God outright.
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Incubator is one of the three forms of God on a list dedicated to describing the various forms of God because . . . it isn't a form of God?

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And then, no less than six times in Lost Memories, in no less than three different chapters, the Incubator is referred to as Alessa. That's not including the Play Novel calling Incubator "Alessa," the actual novels of SH1 & 3 calling Incubator "Alessa," and Silent Hill 3 referring to Incubator as Alessa.
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So, we're back to it: Alessa must be God, because, clearly, Incubator is God.

Or, we eliminate the weaker explanation, which would be Alessa = Incubator.
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If that's what makes you happy, I guess.

Believe whatever you want to believe. Konami could say outright that Alessa is the Incubator, and you'd still willingly ignore it, the same way you're willingly ignoring the 11-some examples I've just offered you, preferring to stick to the one (1) quote that semi-justifies the narrative you want to present.
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Sucks to be hoisted with your own petard, huh?
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Er... I'm confused. Did Aura and AITT not already say that Incubator IS Alessa, but at the same time it is God?
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I don't really think Incubator is Alessa. Could perhaps be that Incubator took over Alessa's physical body, or that Alessa was destroyed and Incubator is an entirely separate form. Silent Hill 3 certainly proves that God, at least in its larval stage, is obviously a life separate from Heather. The old debate was "did Alessa transform into God" or "did Alessa birth a wholly separate creature", and I thought we arrived at the conclusion that it wasn't clear and didn't matter.

The only point about God that I care anything about is the one relevant to this discussion: Who gave birth to Heather? And, I am adamant in my belief that it was not a matter of Alessa Gillespie cloning herself as a consolation prize for Harry.
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Right. Whatever you argue, it cannot be stated that Alessa is the one in control of that form.
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Cybil is still Cybil, even when she's not in control of herself.
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