Silent Hill Heaven

Pyramid Head's appearance was completely justified. Not only for being a punisher for Alex"s guilt, as he was to James, but because of all those drawings you find around the game. If the kids all around have been told these storys of the Boogeyman it would only be right to assume that Alex has heard them also.

I don't think so....jame's version of PH was a manifistation of his mental. He existed within his version of the otherworld. My point is that PH isn't just a monster waiting around in the otherworld waiting for people to punish. It was a creation of james and it really should've stayed with him.

Homecoming made it seem like PH was an actual physical being existing in the otherworld just waiting for folks with guilt to punish...and it really isn't structured that way....while alex was told of the boogeyman, homecoming could've came up with a completly different monster to showcase as it's main boss monster...it's as if alex and james are sharing otherworld monsters, when each character's experiences should be completly different from each other....PH was just fan-service and nothing more...his impact in the game was a watered down existence.

Where did you get this impression, clips? Because I myself didn't take PH's appearance in Homecoming to be anything more than a manifestation of punishment akin to how he appeared in SH2. Are you sure you're not just coming to that conclusion because that's what you want to think? :/ It's not like the game supports either of our theories 100% (though if I do say so myself I think the way I take it has a smidge more evidence to support it), so in that case it's just as valid to say he's a manifestation and not an Otherworld staple.

>it's main boss monster

Pyramid Head ISN'T Homecoming's main boss monster. Arguably, there ISN'T one -- or you could just say the children are.

>it's as if alex and james are sharing otherworld monsters

This has happened before, though... Everyone sees nurses and dogs. And James and Heather saw Closers/Mandarins. And Henry and Eileen saw Walter's ghost victims. And the monkeys. And the double-head babies. And the fungus things. And --

>PH was just fan-service and nothing more...his impact in the game was a watered down existence.

If you keep telling yourself that, then OF COURSE you aren't going to see alternative, and 10x more satisfying, explanations

No offense intended to you at all, clips, but I really can't understand this incessant need some people in this fanbase have to hate and shit on a game without considering any alternative besides whatever negative initial conclusion they come to. That's... absurd. Why WOULDN'T you want to work out a more SATISFYING ANSWER instead of something that'll make you gripe and moan years after the game's release? *coughSH4cough.

Its directly taken from the film.

I'm just putting it into perspective in how the other games bosses were set up...you had Valtiel in prt3....the butcher(another ph ripoff imo) and in prt4 to a lesser extent Walter...i know valtiell really wasn't a boss, but his presence in the game was one of a lead boss like creature.





I remember reading somewhere that in the case of james/heather seeing those same monsters that it was the case of the results of alessa's power still influencing the town....can't really remember if it's from LM or if i read it somewhere on another site, because i too had questions about that.

As far as Henery and Eileen goes, they were trapped within the world that walter created and so were the other victims, so it only made sense that those involved with walters ritual would be exposed to the horrors of his world. And even tho everybody see's nurses and dogs, for the most part the nurses have had a reason to be there..it made sense in alessa's/heather's storyline and it also made sense in SH2 with jame's wife bein' sick and lastly in homecoming because of alex's condition.

Even tho the nurses are a staple for the series, the way they were used made sense in the games above...now the dogs?..meh i feel that the dogs was just in response to what you see in the RE games...to me, imo the dogs were just konami sayin' "this is our version of zombie/demon dogs"...cause honestly the dogs really have no symbolic signifigance in the series at all.




No offense taken... and if you look at my other comments concerning homecoming, my only real gripe is the combat..i didn't like how awkward and jerky it was. Overall homecoming is not a crappy game by any means...i like it, it has some of the best voice acting the series has seen thus far.

My comments on PH is one that really didn't bother me that much either, but since we're talking about whether he should be in or not, i had to give my full description on why i feel he shouldn't be in there. I get that SH has a history of the Red hooded PH type individual that was part of the town before, but since they were using the term "boogeyman" to scare the children, i just felt they could've been a bit more creative in developing the boogeyman creature.

And SH4 had one of the strongest storylines in the series...

I actually like SH4. I was only commenting on how people still won't shut the fuck up about it being "horrible."

>honestly the dogs really have no symbolic signifigance in the series at all.

Ah, that's not entirely true if you look at their SH3 incarnation.

I pointed out the shared monsters to show how the nightmarish experience people have in the Otherworld overlaps in more ways than just settings and scenery. People can occupy the same space for brief (or extended) periods of time (James and Angela's scenes together, Henry and the later Sacrament victims sharing in the "dream world") -- why can't this expand to include the monsters as well?

>i just felt they could've been a bit more creative in developing the boogeyman creature.

I agree with this, actually.

[spoiler]Didn't Alex's father kill their dog? Or maybe I'm crazy and remembering things that never happened. Well if he did, then they are significant in that way.[/spoiler]

As for PH, I agree that if they were going to call him something else, it should have been different and more unique creature. I believe he was put there to reresent a punisher but it didn't work like Silent Hill 2. Alex was not being punished like James.

[spoiler]Also all the elders people were going to get punished by there own children. Or atleast thats how it worked out. Judge Holloway was not punished because you saved her and your father never killed his child so THATS when PH comes in for breaking that pact. As for that he really doesn't have a huge role.[/spoiler]

I would have rathered them make a different creature than just use PH because he's a badass and people love him. Because I think that was the MAIN reason he was put there. It wasn't a horrible game, or atleast i don't think so. Was it like Silent Hill 1, 2, or 3? No. They just took a direction that didn't work well but thats just my opinion. (hides waiting for someone to attack)

Adam never did such a thing.

>They just took a direction that didn't work well but thats just my opinion. (hides waiting for someone to attack)

Run on sentences never work well dog lying in the street my lunch is ready.

If you're referring to the scene where Alex walks in on Adam skinning something in the basement room, that, I believe, was a just a dear, not a dog.

But that doesn't add up to how Alex makes a comment on how the dog in the backyard is missing during the beginning of the game, so maybe he did kill the dog, not sure.

Or maybe the dog just ran away. . .

It's a horror game. We get it. But that doesn't mean that it have to be 100% about murder, or rape, or anything "shocking".

I think the dog comment was there to imply that perhaps one of the zombie dogs is Alex's, or something. I always took it that way. We have no reason to believe that Adam was a sadistic dog killer.

He doesnt know what happened to the dog. Are there any clues/memos that talk about the dog? maybe something like alex was close to it? if so, this could account for how anything that alex was close is viewed as an enemy.

Alex was clearly traumatized by seeing a skinned.. thing in Adams hunting room. Combine that with the missing dog and you get the ferals.



But that's my theory. Probably a common one.

That is definitely not a common theory. Most people generally accept that the bosses were the sacrificed children or some type of manifestation of them created by the town.

Adam never skinned a dog. Nobody skinned any animals.
Its a hunting room and most likely adam was gutting/skinning a deer. The fear of not knowing what it was, makes alex scared.

A deer is an animal. Way to totally contradict yourself.

I believe that as well, that they are manifestations of the murdered children. That's obvious. I believe it is the Bogeyman though that takes the form of the bosses to exact that revenge. In all, given the purpose of the bogeyman, it does make sense.

That, paladin, is an absolutely fascinating interpretation. I wonder if there's anything in the Bogeyman rhyme, interspersed throughout the game, that could lend credence to it?

It does say he'll exact revenge in terrifyingly appropriate ways. Specifically:

It could be indicative of what I stated, given that there's hardly anything more appropriate to punish the parents than taking a form representative of their murdered children (or younger brother in Alex and Josh's case).