JKristine35 wrote:@Cyrus, the figure's pants and jacket are the same color as James', how can you ignore that?
Well, for one thing, I actually recognised it. How did you manage to ignore that?
JKristine35 wrote:
Other drawings have proven a definitive connection with imagery from SH2,
Which I addressed.
JKristine35 wrote:
so it's incredibly unlikely that giving the figure the same clothes as James was a mistake.
I didn't say it was a mistake.
JKristine35 wrote:
The drawings prove that the Bogeyman changes shape depending on who sees him, but is still one entity.
Except that the Bogeyman you're referring to is the Bogeyman in the poem, not the Bogeyman monster that was manifested by Adam/Alex.
The Bogeyman in the poem
takes children, cuts out their tongues and nails them to his wall, stretches their skin until it snaps and all the blood drains out, tortures them with fire, chains them underwater, and chops off their heads. Oh, and he has
a screaming wail.
JKristine35 wrote:
That two of the pictures contain imagery directly relating to PH in SH2
Two pictures out of
eighteen.
JKristine35 wrote:is pretty definitive proof that SH2 saw a manifestation of the same creature.
No, it isn't.
JKristine35 wrote:
Those drawings render your argument that he would look exactly the same to everyone moot.
How? They're drawings of the Bogeyman in the poem.
JKristine35 wrote:
Also, Twin Perfect has contacted developers before, just so you know it. It's just that they ignore anything they don't like, and wildly wave around any parts that they do.
Which is why I responded to Tomm and then posted the response in this thread.
JKristine35 wrote:
Your statement implying Mayan Escalante couldn't possibly understand his own creation because he's just the artist sounds a lot like TP's claims that Ito couldn't understand the SH story and meaning of his creations. That's what I was pointing out.
Except that the Bogeyman wasn't Mayan Escalante's own creation, the render is based on the physical appearance of Red Pyramid in the
Silent Hill film.
Alex420 wrote:Then I guess neither of us can prove anything. However, you said that they have "different names" but I showed you sources in which Bogeyman is labeled as "Pyramid Head" which is why I'm hesitant on separating them. I can't prove the Bogeyman is the same monster from SH2, but I can show you that he shares the name "Pyramid Head".
Which is fine. I already said I had conceded pushing for another page. But I am pushing for ambiguity.
Alex420 wrote:
The entire point of this was to make you less assertive because you initially said "Pyramid Head and the Bogeyman aren't the same entity." as if it were a fact. But as long as you understand the other side and realize that it's not a fact, my job is done and I hope you learned something from this.
Alex420 wrote:
And I'm being contrarian so that we don't go around stating nonfactual things. If you hear something over and over again, you begin to believe it. I want to unravel people's core misconceptions about the series. Stuff that seems "obvious" to you may not be so obvious to other people, and just because something may seem obvious, it doesn't mean it's necessarily true.
I burst out laughing when I read these because, if you change one word in the first quote, it's exactly what I would have said to you. Particularly,
"If you hear something over and over again, you begin to believe it. I want to unravel people's core misconceptions about the series. Stuff that seems "obvious" to you may not be so obvious to other people, and just because something may seem obvious, it doesn't mean it's necessarily true."
The Bogeyman was stated to be Pyramid Head on the Wiki when there was literally no evidence on the page for the two being the same, and it wasn't until I said something that some form of evidence was provided (mainly, no,
only by you and
props to you for doing that) with everybody else saying, "D'oh well, they look the same and act the same so they're the same."
Alex420 wrote:
The Pyramid Head article is not meant for Pyramid Head solely in SH2, it's meant for everything referred to as "Pyramid Head" and related to Pyramid Head, if that makes sense.
So then let's rectify the false statements on the page.