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PH is only an illusion.
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PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER_SHOW PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER:
not in the movie he's not
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Do NOT discuss or mention the movie outside the spoilerific movie room. You guys know the rules, don't you?
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sry,i thought it wasn't a spoiler,hell..i didnt even see the movie yet lol
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Post by Anonymous »

The information put forward in lost memories is not debatable, but somebody said that when god is birthed valtiel seems to be nurturing it. I'm not sure about this. What exactly would you say he's doing?

He puts that flap thing over the god's head. Not really nurturing is it? I'm not sure what it's supposed to do.
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Valtiel is Xuchilbara, the red god.
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I.. see. I don't need to ask if you're sure about that, but I certainly didn't know.

I remember the old days where people didn't have a clue and though PH was Xuchil and valtiel was Lobsel Vith, but I certainly wasnt aware of this fact. It's not mentioned in lost memories is it? I thought I read all of that.
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Post by Anonymous »

Yes! It makes sense! I did a little digging and found that Xuchilbara in the Mayan language means 'Flower spear' kinda weird for Valtiel OR Phead, but then again, lobsel vith means 'bad circle of flesh' or 'bad vessel of flesh' which lead me to belive that alessa is the yellow god. and that would leave Valtiel to be Mr. Flower spear.

I also belive that Pheads are like Valtiels Secret service, acting as Valtiels hands in less important matters in silent hill.

Meh, or all my theories are crap. I don't know.
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Oh man, thanks for the translated memories post. :)
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Dr. Loomis, your website is awesome! Those translated guides are great. Great job to you and everyone who translated them o__O
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valtiel is the gurdian of alessa/heather he protects the god from diying
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>I.. see. I don't need to ask if you're sure about that, but I certainly didn't know.
I'll elaborate upon why soon. Don't worry. Just about this though: Rebirth.
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Post by Asra »

Son_of_Kauffman wrote:PH is only an illusion.
Well there is a bit of evidence to the contrary in Silent Hill 3 which point to Pyramid Head's existance.
PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER_SHOW PRIME_BBCODE_SPOILER:
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Look at the Pyramid head with the arm on the left.
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That's not a picture of PH from SH2 though, it just explains the significance of PH's appearance. PH from SH2 is only an illusion in that he was created to appear to james, to punish him etc. but has no significance other than that, hence when all the business of SH2 was complete then there was no need for that particular effigy to exist.
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Post by Asra »

Well the appearance itself is probably important though. If it were merely just a random vision of Jame's torment it could take any form. Why take something that so closely resembles that, one of the (presumably)holy figures of the order?
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His appearance to james probably did have significance, I must have worded what I said badly.
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Dr. Loomis wrote:hope this helps in your quest for knowledge:

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I normally see Valtiel near nuns and pipes,he/she/it also takes care of claudia when she swallows god oh and the he/she/it taking heather's body away when she's dead thing too
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valtiel is one of my favorite monsters in the silent hill series. thank you for this amazing thread.
i just wish you got to fight him at the end
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Post by Son_of_Kauffman »

Valtiel´s job is to birth God.
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http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/california-will-survive-its-crackup/?ref=opinion

Think of Italy — which reminds me of California in so many ways — and its chronic inability to form a government. That’s California, with even better food and no parliamentary system.
....somewhere in Italy a contract was put out on the life of the article's author.
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