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I'm sorry, but I didn't find aswers or even your thought's that what I want to know now. So I have few questions about that videotape/videotape-scene in Lakeview Hotel, at the end of the game.

1. Was that whole hotel even real? If so, then my questions are like "zero". I remember something that, that hotel was burnt down, where the hell James is then? Deep in his mind before that labyrinth too?

2. Why the heck that tape is in that Hotel? I mean James have forgotten it in there, but how long that tape is been there?

3. Is there fog behind Mary in that video? We all know that in that scene, if I remember right is windows behind Mary, so that was REAL Silent Hill with FOG, right?

4. Is it just in James mind, when he saw that he killed Mary in that video, I mean was there REALLY a scene, that he killed Mary or was that in his head? Freaky, if he put camera in their house, just for that.

Or was it just that way, that in that tape is just that Mary/hotel scene and after that James just remember that he killed her?

Hope, you guys don't kill me, but I have read ALL these topics of SH2 here.


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Oh man I wish that hack never happened. I made a topic about this before, but it's all gone now.

1: Yes, the hotel's real. It exists. It didn't "burn down," it was just burned. It's a husk; when James leaves Room 312 after seeing the video, you finally see the hotel for how it really looks: a wreck. The hotel you see before that is made to look how James remembered it.

2: I'm not sure of the specifics of that - the tape surely exists, and is real, so too with the footage. It's quite possible that James remembered somewhere in the back of his head a video he'd taken of Mary on their first trip to the town, and having left it behind.

3: I don't think that was fog - it could have just been a very bright day outside, and the visuals in the video were a bit off. The contrast and brightness seemed to be used.

4: No, James did not film himself smothering his wife.
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Or was it just that way, that in that tape is just that Mary/hotel scene and after that James just remember that he killed her?
I can't understand what that sentence was supposed to say. Basically, the image of Mary's death is the memory coming to surface in James's mind. The videotape is surely real, the image of Mary admiring the town is real, too, but the part of Mary's death was never placed on that tape. You could even go so far as to say that the tape is merely a memory, too, if you'd like.

And why do I say James didn't film Mary's death? He's not a heartless lunatic, and anything said otherwise is ridiculous. And also, look at how silly this sounds: James filmed it, drove back to Silent Hill, put the tape in the hotel, in a safe, set up the puzzle for him to solve later, wrote himself a note, drove out of town, "found" Mary's letter, then drove back into town.

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And why do I say James didn't film Mary's death? He's not a heartless lunatic, and anything said otherwise is ridiculous. And also, look at how silly this sounds: James filmed it, drove back to Silent Hill, put the tape in the hotel, in a safe, set up the puzzle for him to solve later, wrote himself a note, drove out of town, "found" Mary's letter, then drove back into town.


well, he does visualise monsters trying to kill him and an entirely other person to take mary's place. but i get what you're saying. he's crazy but not heartless.


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Krist said it all :)

[spoiler][spoiler]In fact it makes no much sense that James was taping what he did to her wife. he didnt set up a complot to do that to Mary and also setting all up to film it...he did that im a moment of complete emotional tension.....wanting to finish Mary endless pain, also wanting to stop is own personal suffering...in the emotional situation he was i cant imagine him having the coolness to go and prepare a camera and videotape...[[/spoiler]

but that is just one fact...what Krist said is from far enough to clear your doubts :)
the videotape is accepted (i think) as last and definitive proof to clearify what really happen...
even if im starting to see the videotape in another direction....could just be a dead end...or the start to another theory :)


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i think the [spoiler]seeing himself kill mary in the tape[/spoiler] is just an artistic gimmick.

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Right its been so long since i played sh2 but heres what i thought:

1. Krist is right so no need to go into that

2. and 4. One could argue the tape did exist (which is what I believe) but it didnt include the scene with him killing his wife mary that part was not even on the video it was him been reminded about what he did by the images on the tape; similar to a person remember events when watching an old film. Sometimes when you watch a tap or video events occur and trigger memories and you think about them more then the acutal film.

You could also argue the tape didnt exist but all the images on the tape were in his mind it just needed him to enter the room to be reminded as I think thats were the "euthonisia" (apologies about the spelling) happened.

I also agree with Krist he didnt film her dying

I basically thought that people who went to silent hill saw monsters as it protrayed there inner demons hence the reason laura never sees monsters or visually looks scared. Eddy (killings) Angela (Parents) etc all have problems and the whole point of james going to sh is to find inner peace and his journey ends with him been forgiven or not.


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i think the videotape existed and still exists...including only "in reality" Jamed filming her wife in the room when they visited Silent Hill...

the videotape existed....if it still exists i gueess that depends if you believe or not that the safe was strong enough to resist to the fire;)


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I rememeber that topic...

The video exists. The end, where the truth is revealed, does not. Why? Because of the timeline.

What happens after James exits the refrigerator is not what as simple as "reverting to reality." In actuality--so I believe--he doesn't return to reality until the end of the game: the Abyss is everything from the Historical Society to the end of the game. When he rows across Toluca Lake, he says to himself: This place hasn't changed at all in three years. Because it hasn't: it's the hotel from three years ago, not what it is presently.

The Hotel that he's in is identical to how it was left when Mary & James last visited when Mary first became ill--on down to the videotape he left there; he left the tape in their room presumably, and was later found, ostensibly, by the cleaning people--or whomever; it doesn't matter.

The point is simple: the footage of Mary dying couldn't have been recorded because Mary passed away yesterday. The film was made three years ago. It's literally impossible for that footage to physically exist simply because even if James had recorded it yesterday, he couldn't have left it at the hotel to be found because the hotel is no longer anything but 48% burnt (I smell that whore).

So, in conclusion: The tape exists. They made it three years ago. The footage of Mary dying does not exist because it was made yesterday.

>that was REAL Silent Hill with FOG, right?
Yes. Remember: Toluca Lake is constantly enshrouded by a strange fog, so the fog is going to be there round Lakeview Hotel as well--seeing as it's right there, on the lake.

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So, in conclusion: The tape exists. They made it three years ago. The footage of Mary dying does not exist because it was made yesterday.

yeh thats the point i was making you put it across a little better :D , however in my defence its 2:30 in the morning and iv been travelling all day,


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Ok i too believe that everything from the abyss to the ending is just James in his own mind i agree very much with that now about the tape if you want the truth i think that the tv and vcr were merely just doorways deeper into James mind so yes there was a video tape but i believe the on James found was not the one he recorded how could it be b/c the scenery he is in isn't real how could something material exist in something psychological it's impossible there for that's not the same tape but i do believe that tape is real, now back to the tv being a door way when James found that "tape" and "Tv" it opened certain dark corners of his brain and made him remember... "DAMNIT I KILLED HER" which was what he was trying to tell himself the whole time so in short i agree with some and disagree with others but where do you get the whole footage being made yesterday from? Explain if you can please and thank you

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>where do you get the whole footage being made yesterday from?
I'm not saying the footage was made yesterday--the footage of Mary dying doesn't exist in reality, thus it was never made--but rather that she died yesterday. The footage from the hotel, what's on the real tape, is from three years ago, when they last visited.

I've determined, from my research, that Mary died the day, or even hours, before the events of Silent Hill 2. There isn't enough time for James to pick Mary up from Brookhaven, take her home over six hours away, kill her, hang out round their hometown with her dead body, then drive her another six+ hours back to Silent Hill a few days later.

The simple truth is that James & Mary never even made it back home from when he picked her up from Brookhaven--or never saw his family again. It'd be impossible for him to get back to Ashfield without someone knowing.

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Wait, explain that a bit. I'm not totally getting it. I must be thick skulled. Why couldn't she have died three years before like it says on the package. Oh by the way, you were quoting dillinger right? 43% burnt?


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>Why couldn't she have died three years before like it says on the package.
Because of Laura's letter from Mary. She writes to Laura wishing her a Happy 8th Birthday; Laura tells James she turned eight last week, to which James responds with: Then... Mary couldn't have died three years ago.

They visited Silent Hill three years ago; she died within twenty-four hours though.

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Do you mean 3 days ago?

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No. I mean everything I said in my post.

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Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I always assumed, well mary's ghost sent it like she had sent the letter to james. It's been a while sense I thought about that. But of course it's all in his head. Oh and I think the video was all static and he was looking for what he did to mary, maybe made it happen in his head. I don't know it's a half baked theory.


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I think even the videotape isn't real.
Maybe James had made it before.But I don't think it still lays in that hotel.
The hotel was burnt.What James saw was only an image of his memory.
And when he came to the room where mary and he lived before,it reminded James of the videotape that he made there.And little by little James finally
remembered what he did to Mary:he murdered her.


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