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Although he doesn't appear very menacing...he can't even reach his targets, how is he supposed to hurt them? By expecting them to trip, fall and die as he slowly scoots behind?


Well, he did summon the flesh eating cockroaches. The veiny decay that spread on the ground and walls was supposed to represent a venereal disease. It left huge blister-like bubbles on the ground that grew and popped. The cockroaches swarmed out of these “blisters” I believe.

I’m not sure why they swarmed around Pyramid Head, but I don’t think it really had that much significance. You notice in the church scene, the roaches aren’t there, only in and around the bathroom where Colin resided.
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Maybe he had sex with PH.


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theendcypher-your avatar is a bit too big. 100x100 is max please resize, thanks.

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not very menacing? I donno, as a female, a hellish, green, barbed wire bound monstrosity that wags its tongue and pulls itself towards me using one hand to syphilize the walls and one to call forth Lucifer's pubic lice is menacing. He may not have been moving fast but fast enough to get within 5 feet of Rose. Imagine the degree of VD you'd get from that. Colin being the loser he was would probably hell rape you, kill you, then hell rape your dead body afterwards.

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gideon wrote:

Well, he did summon the flesh eating cockroaches. The veiny decay that spread on the ground and walls was supposed to represent a venereal disease. It left huge blister-like bubbles on the ground that grew and popped. The cockroaches swarmed out of these “blisters” I believe.

I’m not sure why they swarmed around Pyramid Head, but I don’t think it really had that much significance. You notice in the church scene, the roaches aren’t there, only in and around the bathroom where Colin resided.

He might not be very fast or menacing, but his little friends are. And as an added bonus, once they clean the flesh from your bones, he can mop up the mess!


There's really no conclusive proof or scene where PH controlled or even called the roaches unto himself. From what i observed, he was kicking the roaches aside as they swarmed over his legs when he was dragging the carcass of one of the miners they have killed. I thought he had simply stolen their meal and they were trying to get it back but they couldn't bring PH down.

Notice too in the scene where he was trying to get into the room where Rose and Cybil where hiding, he doesn't step back and let the roaches finish the job when they got into the room via the hole he made. It seemed like it was a free-for-all at that point and the two factions (roaches and PH) are simply trying to get at the two women first. (remember too how PH had cut a roach in half while he was swinging the great knife around, didn't seem like he cared shit about that boo-boo)


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 Post subject: Re: I didn't think the Janitor fit in...

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he looked too humanoid. none of the other monsters in the movie/games look that human.


So you didn't watch the bit with the nurses then?

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Reopened and slightly changed the title of the thread a bit.

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>he looked too humanoid. none of the other monsters in the movie/games look that human.

Then what in the bloody hell do you call the NURSES?! :shock:


lmao good one there.


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I think he meant that the Janitor was the least changed among the monsters of silent hill from his human form. He was merely bent over backwards while the others are mutated or deformed. Discounting Pyramid Head of course since we don't know what his face looks like under that KKK-ish hood. :lol:

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gideon wrote:
Well, he did summon the flesh eating cockroaches. The veiny decay that spread on the ground and walls was supposed to represent a venereal disease. It left huge blister-like bubbles on the ground that grew and popped. The cockroaches swarmed out of these “blisters” I believe.

I’m not sure why they swarmed around Pyramid Head, but I don’t think it really had that much significance. You notice in the church scene, the roaches aren’t there, only in and around the bathroom where Colin resided.

He might not be very fast or menacing, but his little friends are. And as an added bonus, once they clean the flesh from your bones, he can mop up the mess!


I thought he more-or-less summoned the decay, not really the roaches. I don't think Alessa would have given him that much power in her mind... although with the sexual connotations, they make some sense.

Soooo, I'm retracting my initial thought there.

The roaches don't swarm around PH- it seems more like they're swarming around him, as in trying to avoid, y'know, since everything PH touches kind of dies. They just happened to be going in the same direction. Bugs aren't exactly the most intelligent of creatures; they're a bit single minded.

As for the idea of his too-human appearance, there's a lot of theories about why the more humanoid creatures look the way they do, but here's mine. He's being punished- simple as that. Same with the nurses, who retain their beautiful bodies but have distorted faces (Alessa saw only Lisa's face, remember? So that's where the hatred was focused). Any one who's ever been... violated in any way, has the image of their violator all but physically burned into their minds, and would want to see the offending individual as helpless and hurt as they. It stands to reason, then, that Alessa would not want to change his physical appearance, so she would always know it was he being punished, but also that she isn't able to! God knows it's what I'd do!

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Now that I think about it... the Janitor seemed like he would fit better in 13 Ghosts, no? All the ghosts there sort of resemble his condition.


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Now that I think about it... the Janitor seemed like he would fit better in 13 Ghosts, no? All the ghosts there sort of resemble his condition.


Yeah, that would have worked. For some reason I really wanted to watch that the other night and finally convinced my wife to watch it with me. I had forgotten how crappy that movie was. But the ghosts were cool.


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Agreed. Why is it the only good things about modern horror movies tend to be the monster designs? How sad...

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Gillespie wrote:
>he looked too humanoid. none of the other monsters in the movie/games look that human.

Then what in the bloody hell do you call the NURSES?! :shock:


Or the grey children.
I don't know.
I see the human-ness in all the monsters.
They were once people, after all.

I think the Janitor fit very well.

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I thought the janitor fit in perfectly, actually. The creators of Silent Hill even said that they liked to make their enemies with a human feel to them to make them more disturbing.

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Oh, and replying to something someone else said...

I think that horror movies are too "In your face" nowadays. It loses mystery, these things. In the old horror movies that were terrifying, sometimes you never really saw the causes....and with all that black and white, it was hard to make out things in the dark.

Janitor had lots of meaning behind his character, and he fit just as well as the Nurses or any other SH monster.

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Phantom Allure wrote:
Now that I think about it... the Janitor seemed like he would fit better in 13 Ghosts, no? All the ghosts there sort of resemble his condition.

Good point.

Prolly lots of people here a familiar with this but the Janitor would also fit in the Hellraiser movies, or be one of Clive Barker's tortured souls.

Nonetheless, Janitor still freaked me out in the movie. The screaming, the tongue. Ugh. Did the job for me anyway.

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I thought it was a nice little attempt at the SH creature but I don't think it took an insane amount of brain power to think up of at all.

There's a clear easily readable meaning from Collin shown in the movie I guess:
mollested Alessa when she was a kid so this is her punishment on him, when he moves he has to drag himself around on his pelvic/penile area (rendering that member of his body...hmm you can imagine) in that barbed wired crap all over the place in the dark alternate world.

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Agreed. Why is it the only good things about modern horror movies tend to be the monster designs? How sad...


You're right here, though some of them try and create something of a personal mythos. (kind of like how hellraiser did) the most recent one that comes to mind is Ghost Ship. But yeah, movies like 13 ghosts really seem like a waste of big budget.

SH on the other hand really gave us horror fans what we are looking for.


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Hmm....this thing takes alot of contemplation, no?

The Janitor had the same feel. The same tension. The only real difference is how obviously vulgar he was and we were like "Okay, we didn't have to fight THIS bitch in the game, so wtf..." I think he fit in with the mood. He was just as terrifying as other things, and personally, scared the hell out of me.

Now, the Silent Hill theme. We all know this already, but the monsters in Silent Hill are reflections, remnants if you will, of the past and all were once people. Mr. Colin dude told a story, and was a reflection of Alessa's torture as a child. He represented how wicked these people were to her, and how vengeful Alessa was. Everything about him is in some way connected to the final monster in the movie. Right down to the barbed wire.

So how does Janitor not fit in with the mood or the theme?

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It was just a feeling that he somehow didn't jive with what gamers in the know expected of Silent Hill's monsters... ah well, maybe it's because he's the new kid at school and he still hasn't gotten out of the outcast newbie status... :mrgreen:

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