Mary stayed at Brookhaven Hospital

[Mr.FLOOT]

I've started playing SH2 again and I got up to Brookhaven. When Laura enters the Hospital, she doesn't have a key. She just pushes open the front door. But she DOES have a key when she locks James in the room.
I think she just found them when she was looking around the hospital for Mary.

[AuraTwilight]

Who the hell needs a key to enter a public building, like a hospital?

[KiramidHead]

The staff who open up the building every morning, of course.

[The Adversary]

. . . Hospitals don't really close.

[SilentWren]

Um....
There's rooms in hospitals that lock...I don't know where you guys are going with this....

[untamedbananaslug]

The original poster's theory has to be the worst case of over-analysis I have ever seen.

Personally, I would suggest that they research exactly what treatment individuals with a terminal disease receive. Individuals who are terminally ill and in their last stages of life usually stay in the hospice, where they are provided with palliative care (ie. symptom control). It's quite common for people who are terminally ill to suffer from depression, which is why mirtazapine (or some other anti-depressant) is provided to most hospice patients. They are also provided with psychological and pastoral counseling. It's not normal procedure to transfer the patient to the psych ward the moment they start showing a depressive illness as a result of their terminal disease. Indeed, transferring them would be highly inappropriate, as symptom control is best done in the hospice. I've never heard of it ever being done. This doesn't mean that it is *never* done (although I'm *very* skeptical), but I think the burden of proof is on the claimant to provide evidence that it is common procedure in Silent Hill.

[Don, Aman]

^I think the point of contention with that (according to this theory) is that Brookhaven only has a psych ward (3rd Floor), but the other two floors are used for normal hospital care. As for why she was there and not in a hospice, she wanted to go back to Silent Hill and her doctors thought it would help her condition to be in a place which held such good memories for her. When they realized she was getting worse and didn't have much time left, they called James to come pick her up. And then... well, we all know what then.

Edit: My apologies. After reading the letter, it is obvious that Mary was getting better. However, I still don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that she was sent to Brookhaven if she was so depressed as to be suicidal. Especially considering how therapeutic it would be for her to be back in Silent Hill.

[untamedbananaslug]

^I think the point of contention with that (according to this theory) is that Brookhaven only has a psych ward (3rd Floor), but the other two floors are used for normal hospital care.

I know. But wasn't it argued that she was transferred to Brookhaven because it specialised in mental health?

From the OP:

Why, then, would Mary, terminally ill, be sent to a hospital used predominantly for mental health?, rather than somewhere like Alchemella, an all-round general hospital?

Because Mary was mentally ill: She suffered severe depression and wished to die—a very common reason for treatment at such a hospital.

If Mary was terminally ill, then it it more likely that she would be transferred to the hospice of a hospital renowned for its palliative care. I have never heard of a depressed palliative care patient being transferred to another hospital because of its specialty in mental health. Usually they are just given an anti-depressant and pastoral/psychological counseling (+/- an anti-psychotic, + a sedative if they engage in self harm).

The assumption made by the OP is central to his theory, and I have just shown that it is not based in reality.

As for why she was there and not in a hospice, she wanted to go back to Silent Hill and her doctors thought it would help her condition to be in a place which held such good memories for her.

I accept that. It's common for those who are terminally ill to go home (with the medications needed to control their symptoms) when their symptoms are controlled enough to permit it. That's likely what she was doing when James killed her. When their condition degenerates, they return to palliative care, to get their symptoms under control. Usually they die there.

Such an observation is not a valid reason as to why she would be placed in a hospital which specialises predominantly in psychiatric medicine.

When they realized she was getting worse and didn't have much time left, they called James to come pick her up. And then... well, we all know what then.

Huh? If someone's condition is getting *worse*, they usually stay in the hospice, where they can receive the best care and symptom control.

From what I understood in Mary's letter, it seems that her symptoms had been adequately treated, allowing her to leave palliative care and return home for a short spell. This is when James took the opportunity to kill her.

Edit: Her letter implies that her symptoms were sufficiently controlled to permit her to return home for a short period

It's either that or Laura is the master of unlocking.

^This. So this.^

But yeah, I'm with everyone else. If she didn't have a key, then why search through her pocket?

Are keys the only thing you keep in your pockets? How do we even know she was reaching into her pocket? Perhaps she's just scratching herself? We don't actually see a key, so it seems like some pretty desperate conjecture to claim that she pulled a key out of her pocket.

[Harrys_Girl]

This thread will move back onto topic and the next person to continue the mud-slinging will face severe consequences.

[The Adversary]

Awwww . . . I was hoping to come home and read untamedbananaslug's brilliantly asinine retort. :(

At least we all have his wonderful new signature for comic relief!

[untamedbananaslug]

Awwww . . . I was hoping to come home and read untamedbananaslug's brilliantly asinine retort.

I'm still waiting for some (*any*) evidence that it is common procedure to transfer a depressed, terminally ill patient to another hospital, because said hospital specialises in psychiatric care.

[alone in the town]

I'm still waiting for the thesaurus entry for 'common' which lists 'impossible' as an antonym.

[untamedbananaslug]

I'm still waiting for the thesaurus entry for 'common' which lists 'impossible' as an antonym.

So instead of providing any supporting evidence to support your conjecture, you're just introducing any element of doubt to obfuscate the issue? Instead of using *what we know* to clarify the issue, you're citing what we *don't know* to obfuscate it. Great. Little wonder these sort of threads drag on for 50+ pages. However, I do appreciate that you have accepted the fact that it is not normal procedure to transfer a terminally ill individual to another hospital, simply because it specialises in psychiatric care.

Now, you could argue that Mary was a special case, that the doctors made an exception, that someone fucked up and made a bad call of judgement, that the doctors were taking White Claudia etc. But then you are handwaving away already implausible speculation with further assumptions. How is Mary's depression different from the other 25+% of terminally ill patients who suffer from depression in their end of life state? Why does she (and only she) merit alternative management strategy?

You see? You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper into a pit of conjecture simply to justify already implausible assumptions. If that's all you have to offer, than all I will say is: "No thanks".

[HELLS HOLE CREEK]

I think its the towns way of telling james he needs help or he will commit suicide...

Maria is the real 'master of unlocking' she pulls keys from her sandwich and boobies

[AuraTwilight]

You know, being transferred to Brookhaven could've been Mary's request, in which case it would override every point untamedbananaslug has made, and Mary would definitely request being transferred to a hospital in Silent Hill if she was given the option.

[alone in the town]

So instead of providing any supporting evidence to support your conjecture, you're just introducing any element of doubt to obfuscate the issue? Instead of using *what we know* to clarify the issue, you're citing what we *don't know* to obfuscate it. Great. Little wonder these sort of threads drag on for 50+ pages. However, I do appreciate that you have accepted the fact that it is not normal procedure to transfer a terminally ill individual to another hospital, simply because it specialises in psychiatric care.

Precisely what 'evidence' do I need to provide? Am I supposed to prove that it is completely impossible for this scenario to ever play out, and then provide exceptions to prove that it can happen? What in the hell are you even looking for? Besides attention?

I can accept that this may be a special case. In fact, I accept that it almost has to be a special case. What I do not accept is that it must be ruled out for that reason, nor do I accept that the entire theory is bogus because of a technicality that is of very dubious value. The game asks that I accept far less plausible ideas than this, after all, such as that of a prison camp which ignores general interpretation of law in favor of its own--which, to my knowledge, is far less likely to have ever existed in the United States than the idea of a terminal patient given a temporary (and, as AuraTwilight noted, very likely requested) transfer to another hospital for unconventional reasons.

Look, you've made it perfectly clear that you want everybody to view you as the champion of some imaginary crusade against the stuffy veterans, to which I say hey, we all have our hobbies and yours is kind of cute. To which I also say that the entire basis for your argument is the assumption that this work of fiction must adhere completely to realism, and that every theory about said work of fiction must also never deviate from your understanding of what is and is not likely--not possible, but likely. If someone said "intelligent life doesn't exist outside of earth because we've never seen it", they would have put forth a better argument than what you just spewed all over this thread, because they used a valid absolute as a basis for it.

To sum up: One of the reasons this theory is good is because this kind of horse shit nitpicking is the most anybody can bring against it.

[untamedbananaslug]

being transferred to Brookhaven *could've* (ubs: emphasis mine) been Mary's request...

Mary would definitely request being transferred to a hospital in Silent Hill if she was given the option.

Ahh, so the clinicians managing Mary *did not* decide to send her to Brookhaven because of it being renowned as a psychiatric hospital? Instead, Mary *requested* to go to Brookhaven. Wait, hang on. What are you people all arguing again?

More importantly, do you have any evidence to support this new conjecture? And more importantly, why Brookhaven? Because I don't even see why I should point out why such an assumption is implausible, when you're just guessing.

I reiterate:

"You see? You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper into a pit of conjecture simply to justify already implausible assumptions. If that's all you have to offer, than all I will say is: "No thanks"."

Quite simply, I need something other than conjecture to support conjecture.

[Harrys_Girl]

How about because Brookhaven is in Silent Hill and Mary specifically states she "just loves it here [in Silent Hill]" If you knew you were dying and you didn't want to be at home forcing your loved one to take care of you, where would be a better place to go than a place you love and had the best times of your life at? She could've chose to go because she loved Silent Hill. Or maybe she was sent because they have a great support network in the psychological department--we don't know because there is never given much information in-game about the situation.

That is why this thread is 10 pages long, it is all speculation and no one's speculation is better than anyone else... for the most part. So stop being a troll in every post and chill out. You come up w/ far off base reasons NOT to believe what other's do and yet criticize people for being off-base. Seems a bit hypocritical if you are going to act so pretentious.

[HELLS HOLE CREEK]

You have been served utahbannergrug

[VIVIsect]

To sum up: One of the reasons this theory is good is because this kind of horse shit nitpicking is the most anybody can bring against it.